1 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:25,290 [Music] 2 00:00:35,689 --> 00:00:31,890 this hope radio for the masses headliner 3 00:00:37,910 --> 00:00:35,699 between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force 4 00:00:39,830 --> 00:00:37,920 has announced that a flying death - 5 00:00:42,890 --> 00:00:39,840 found under now in the possession of the 6 00:00:46,759 --> 00:00:42,900 RA the game is rigged change the game 7 00:00:49,970 --> 00:00:46,769 game changer I occasionally think how 8 00:00:53,750 --> 00:00:49,980 quickly our differences worldwide would 9 00:00:56,220 --> 00:00:53,760 vanish if we were facing an alien threat 10 00:01:01,549 --> 00:00:56,230 from outside this way 11 00:01:04,009 --> 00:01:01,559 [Music] 12 00:01:06,830 --> 00:01:04,019 fade to black with your host Jimmy 13 00:01:13,350 --> 00:01:06,840 church on the game-changer radio network 14 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:15,030 I need your help to get to the year 15 00:01:18,530 --> 00:01:22,210 [Music] 16 00:01:27,410 --> 00:01:24,370 you're listening to fade to black with 17 00:01:34,500 --> 00:01:27,420 Jimmy judge on the game changing Network 18 00:01:37,730 --> 00:01:34,510 [Music] 19 00:01:49,820 --> 00:01:37,740 good evening fade to black 20 00:01:55,980 --> 00:01:49,830 this spoke radio for the masses yeah man 21 00:01:59,640 --> 00:01:55,990 it's Monday April 9th 2018 ninety nine 22 00:02:03,710 --> 00:01:59,650 days into the new year just 266 days 23 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:03,720 left we are live from a bunker somewhere 24 00:02:08,970 --> 00:02:07,330 in beautiful downtown Burbank California 25 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:08,980 and I would like to welcome everybody 26 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:10,510 listening all around the world all 27 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:13,090 across the United States hither and 28 00:02:17,340 --> 00:02:15,130 thither to and fro back and forth up and 29 00:02:19,070 --> 00:02:17,350 down east and west north and south far 30 00:02:22,230 --> 00:02:19,080 and near 31 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:22,240 this is fade to black for kjc are the 32 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:24,850 game changer network in kg ra the planet 33 00:02:28,130 --> 00:02:26,650 I'm your host Jimmy Church what is crack 34 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:28,140 and how you doing 35 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:34,900 yeah man 36 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:40,310 all right tonight's tonight we have very 37 00:02:47,710 --> 00:02:43,130 special guests with us John Greenwald is 38 00:02:49,690 --> 00:02:47,720 here of the black vault that's right 39 00:02:55,060 --> 00:02:49,700 we're gonna talk about his investigation 40 00:03:00,660 --> 00:02:55,070 into T TSA to the Stars Academy and a 41 00:03:03,790 --> 00:03:00,670 tip the aerial aviation threat 42 00:03:06,060 --> 00:03:03,800 department whatever it's called we'll 43 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:06,070 find out about all of that tonight 44 00:03:13,570 --> 00:03:10,130 the secret black project running in the 45 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:13,580 Pentagon allegedly it ran to a point 46 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:16,730 it's not running now but more on that 47 00:03:22,750 --> 00:03:19,930 more on that in and all of his 48 00:03:25,870 --> 00:03:22,760 investigative journalist ik skills will 49 00:03:29,650 --> 00:03:25,880 be presented tonight tomorrow night 50 00:03:32,740 --> 00:03:29,660 Anthony Sanchez is back with us and we 51 00:03:34,900 --> 00:03:32,750 are gonna go over world wide UFO 52 00:03:37,660 --> 00:03:34,910 sightings and reports country by country 53 00:03:40,150 --> 00:03:37,670 state by state in the United States all 54 00:03:40,780 --> 00:03:40,160 around the world and what he is doing 55 00:03:44,470 --> 00:03:40,790 about it 56 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:44,480 to to get this information out there 57 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:46,370 he's got a project that he's working on 58 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:48,770 and it is amazing so we're gonna do that 59 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:51,650 tomorrow night I cannot wait to hear 60 00:03:57,130 --> 00:03:54,170 these stats that Anthony has got put 61 00:04:00,820 --> 00:03:57,140 together and then Wednesday night the 62 00:04:05,850 --> 00:04:00,830 one and only Daniel P Sheehan joins us 63 00:04:11,740 --> 00:04:05,860 and Daniel this is what's amazing about 64 00:04:15,940 --> 00:04:11,750 Daniel Danny is the amount of work that 65 00:04:18,099 --> 00:04:15,950 he has done in his lifetime and what he 66 00:04:20,610 --> 00:04:18,109 has pulled off and what he has been at 67 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:20,620 the center of he is an amazing 68 00:04:25,659 --> 00:04:23,570 individual and there is so much to talk 69 00:04:28,290 --> 00:04:25,669 about right now what is going on not 70 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:28,300 only in the world of disclosure and 71 00:04:33,340 --> 00:04:29,570 ufology 72 00:04:36,220 --> 00:04:33,350 but the cabal the Illuminati who's 73 00:04:40,210 --> 00:04:36,230 running the world what is really going 74 00:04:41,770 --> 00:04:40,220 on there's he is the best to talk about 75 00:04:43,450 --> 00:04:41,780 all of this and that'll be Wednesday 76 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:43,460 night Thursday night is another fader 77 00:04:47,860 --> 00:04:46,130 night Jon Rappoport will be here with 78 00:04:49,810 --> 00:04:47,870 his no more fake newsroom 79 00:04:52,230 --> 00:04:49,820 live followed by open lines all night 80 00:04:55,900 --> 00:04:52,240 long you can follow me on Twitter at Jay 81 00:04:58,090 --> 00:04:55,910 radio at a church radio simple at Jay 82 00:05:02,020 --> 00:04:58,100 Church radio you want to hang out with 83 00:05:05,530 --> 00:05:02,030 us use hash tag F the number to be hash 84 00:05:07,540 --> 00:05:05,540 tag F to be that is the sandbox any 85 00:05:11,650 --> 00:05:07,550 questions or comments you can do that 86 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:11,660 hash tag F to be Q in Twitter we use 87 00:05:16,990 --> 00:05:13,970 TweetDeck any questions or comments you 88 00:05:22,270 --> 00:05:17,000 can also email throughout the show Jimmy 89 00:05:24,730 --> 00:05:22,280 and Jimmy Church radio.com and I was I 90 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:24,740 got email earlier today and it was 91 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:26,930 strange I mean there was something that 92 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:29,450 I kind of forgotten about because I've 93 00:05:35,830 --> 00:05:31,970 been doing it for so many years at the 94 00:05:37,719 --> 00:05:35,840 beginning of the show when I go east and 95 00:05:42,219 --> 00:05:37,729 west north and south you know far in 96 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:42,229 here that there was a guy while he's 97 00:05:47,620 --> 00:05:45,289 still around I I think he's up in San 98 00:05:53,250 --> 00:05:47,630 Francisco but a sports guy here out of 99 00:05:58,029 --> 00:05:53,260 San Diego hacksaw Hamilton and hacksaw 100 00:06:03,490 --> 00:05:58,039 out of man what was that sports station 101 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:03,500 out of Chicago and iego I can't remember 102 00:06:08,980 --> 00:06:05,510 the name of the station but anyway huge 103 00:06:15,460 --> 00:06:08,990 sports talk radio station and hacksaw 104 00:06:21,460 --> 00:06:15,470 would start his show off each night from 105 00:06:24,430 --> 00:06:21,470 San Diego to San Bernardino the Inland 106 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:24,440 Empire to whatever Long Beach and he 107 00:06:29,260 --> 00:06:26,110 would do this thing this little 108 00:06:31,390 --> 00:06:29,270 geographical you know paint the picture 109 00:06:36,129 --> 00:06:31,400 thing and and hacksaw one of the best 110 00:06:39,460 --> 00:06:36,139 and and then he would do the best what 111 00:06:42,250 --> 00:06:39,470 did he call it the best 15 minutes in 112 00:06:44,620 --> 00:06:42,260 radio right that's how it would started 113 00:06:46,870 --> 00:06:44,630 show off and he would do hacksaw 114 00:06:48,159 --> 00:06:46,880 headlines and he would do fifteen 115 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:48,169 minutes of the headlines and that's how 116 00:06:55,450 --> 00:06:51,010 we started off every show for years and 117 00:06:58,480 --> 00:06:55,460 I just love that guy and so that 118 00:07:01,660 --> 00:06:58,490 beginning of the show that I do that 119 00:07:03,310 --> 00:07:01,670 whole thing I swear 120 00:07:06,330 --> 00:07:03,320 I got to give credit where credit's due 121 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:06,340 I imagined myself being the great 122 00:07:14,950 --> 00:07:12,130 hacksaw hamilton hacksaw hamilton 123 00:07:16,630 --> 00:07:14,960 whatever happened to that guy they used 124 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:16,640 to run these commercials on the NFL 125 00:07:23,470 --> 00:07:20,570 touchdown San Diego in the Super Bowl 126 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:23,480 and that was hacksaw you know that was 127 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:25,250 hacksaw calling it on the radio 128 00:07:30,850 --> 00:07:29,090 and he was the voice of the Raiders for 129 00:07:32,290 --> 00:07:30,860 a while he might maybe that's what he's 130 00:07:36,070 --> 00:07:32,300 doing now maybe he's up in San Francisco 131 00:07:38,410 --> 00:07:36,080 doing the Raiders but anyway so that's 132 00:07:41,620 --> 00:07:38,420 what that is and and somebody asked me 133 00:07:45,070 --> 00:07:41,630 about that today where that that whole 134 00:07:47,500 --> 00:07:45,080 intro came from and I just had to think 135 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:47,510 about it and I got it I'm gonna give 136 00:07:54,700 --> 00:07:52,130 credit hacksaw Hamilton hacksaw Hamilton 137 00:07:58,830 --> 00:07:54,710 okay enough of that all right 138 00:08:01,480 --> 00:07:58,840 I'm stellar you can go and register 139 00:08:04,630 --> 00:08:01,490 things are getting really really close 140 00:08:07,890 --> 00:08:04,640 here with on stellar to testing so you 141 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:07,900 can go over to on stellar dot-com and 142 00:08:14,590 --> 00:08:10,490 it's it's all been cleaned up and 143 00:08:16,990 --> 00:08:14,600 simplified there and because the I CEO 144 00:08:20,410 --> 00:08:17,000 you can purchase tokens if you want but 145 00:08:23,110 --> 00:08:20,420 that's that's a whole other thing but 146 00:08:25,210 --> 00:08:23,120 you can go register and get your 147 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:25,220 username all of that use the promo code 148 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:29,090 Jimmy and the there's going to be a 149 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:31,610 questionnaire and a survey sent out to 150 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:35,690 all of the registered users and that's 151 00:08:40,300 --> 00:08:37,610 going to be happening and then we're 152 00:08:42,820 --> 00:08:40,310 gonna go into this testing phase in 153 00:08:46,210 --> 00:08:42,830 about three weeks so you'll be able to 154 00:08:48,670 --> 00:08:46,220 go check out the platform and build your 155 00:08:50,470 --> 00:08:48,680 profile page and test in and go and 156 00:08:52,810 --> 00:08:50,480 check it out and then everything will be 157 00:08:56,260 --> 00:08:52,820 going live still on schedule in quarter 158 00:08:58,990 --> 00:08:56,270 three on stellar and with all of the 159 00:09:01,990 --> 00:08:59,000 talk lately especially I'm going to get 160 00:09:05,730 --> 00:09:02,000 to this in a second about Facebook and 161 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:05,740 what is going on over there Man Alive 162 00:09:13,670 --> 00:09:12,050 whoo you know and we were watching I'm 163 00:09:17,030 --> 00:09:13,680 going to 164 00:09:20,230 --> 00:09:17,040 recommend everybody to check out Silicon 165 00:09:23,660 --> 00:09:20,240 Valley on HBO and if you haven't seen it 166 00:09:26,150 --> 00:09:23,670 go you can go and binge it 167 00:09:28,550 --> 00:09:26,160 I mean binging from season one where 168 00:09:30,769 --> 00:09:28,560 they are at now and this is what's 169 00:09:35,380 --> 00:09:30,779 really funny what they are actually 170 00:09:38,060 --> 00:09:35,390 talking about on Silicon Valley is a 171 00:09:39,110 --> 00:09:38,070 decentralized internet all right that's 172 00:09:40,910 --> 00:09:39,120 what they're building right they're 173 00:09:43,460 --> 00:09:40,920 building this decentralized internet 174 00:09:46,670 --> 00:09:43,470 without servers and they're talking 175 00:09:50,420 --> 00:09:46,680 about server farms and security and 176 00:09:53,030 --> 00:09:50,430 online privacy and rights and and it's 177 00:09:54,980 --> 00:09:53,040 it's great everything that's on Silicon 178 00:09:59,870 --> 00:09:54,990 Valley right now is what on stellar is 179 00:10:02,630 --> 00:09:59,880 about so didn't hacksaw to rock and roll 180 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:02,640 radio at Klos I don't think so no I 181 00:10:09,350 --> 00:10:06,810 think hacksaw Lee hacksaw Hamilton calm 182 00:10:11,329 --> 00:10:09,360 there it is I'm gonna click on that hold 183 00:10:15,820 --> 00:10:11,339 on I gotta go I gotta go I gotta check 184 00:10:20,390 --> 00:10:15,830 out ax Lee hacks on there it is there is 185 00:10:21,260 --> 00:10:20,400 that's the original G talk radio guy 186 00:10:24,410 --> 00:10:21,270 right there 187 00:10:27,230 --> 00:10:24,420 Lee hacks yes there it is hacks house 188 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:27,240 headlines best 15 minutes of radio see 189 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:30,290 now look this is what's really funny is 190 00:10:43,460 --> 00:10:39,690 I am talking about 1995 okay so that's 191 00:10:45,620 --> 00:10:43,470 23 years ago and I he's still doing it 192 00:10:46,550 --> 00:10:45,630 hack saws headlights it's been a long 193 00:10:48,980 --> 00:10:46,560 time man 194 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:48,990 it's been a long time one man's opinion 195 00:10:56,150 --> 00:10:52,650 look at that hacksaw Hamilton thank you 196 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:56,160 now who tweeted that out that's amazing 197 00:11:00,650 --> 00:10:57,930 thank you for that I'm gonna I'm gonna 198 00:11:02,420 --> 00:11:00,660 that's gonna get a retweet let's send 199 00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:02,430 that out to the conspiracy community 200 00:11:13,310 --> 00:11:04,800 right there Lee's gonna go church with 201 00:11:16,340 --> 00:11:13,320 you yeah manly hacksaw Hamilton okay so 202 00:11:19,670 --> 00:11:16,350 yeah Silicon Valley it's really 203 00:11:21,380 --> 00:11:19,680 interesting how and I know that it's up 204 00:11:25,370 --> 00:11:21,390 you know they're probably taping the 205 00:11:26,750 --> 00:11:25,380 show up until December or whatever but 206 00:11:29,930 --> 00:11:26,760 it just seems really 207 00:11:32,030 --> 00:11:29,940 strange the timing in the topics so go 208 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:32,040 and check that out register over Ida on 209 00:11:37,190 --> 00:11:34,650 stellar on stellar dot-com get your 210 00:11:40,310 --> 00:11:37,200 username promo code Jimmy and and get 211 00:11:41,170 --> 00:11:40,320 going there now here we are we're in the 212 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:41,180 middle of April 213 00:11:51,950 --> 00:11:47,330 we've got May and then that's it our 214 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:51,960 next conference contact in the desert 215 00:11:58,970 --> 00:11:56,010 June 1st through the 4th of 2018 we have 216 00:12:01,820 --> 00:11:58,980 a new I didn't get it up today I'm gonna 217 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:01,830 post it tomorrow a new trailer for 218 00:12:07,010 --> 00:12:03,930 contact in the desert I'm not gonna say 219 00:12:11,900 --> 00:12:07,020 anything but well when you check out the 220 00:12:15,010 --> 00:12:11,910 trailer Rena can probably get it up into 221 00:12:18,290 --> 00:12:15,020 Facebook but anyway for everybody to see 222 00:12:21,710 --> 00:12:18,300 but check out the voiceover dude the 223 00:12:23,900 --> 00:12:21,720 voiceover dude is cool whoever that guy 224 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:23,910 is doing the voiceover I'm just saying 225 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:26,250 the guy doing the voiceover for the 226 00:12:32,570 --> 00:12:30,210 trailer sounds really cool hey you know 227 00:12:35,330 --> 00:12:32,580 I don't know I want your comments we'll 228 00:12:39,170 --> 00:12:35,340 get that up here pretty soon but that is 229 00:12:41,090 --> 00:12:39,180 June 1st through the 4th 2018 Indian 230 00:12:42,950 --> 00:12:41,100 Wells Palm Springs at the Renaissance 231 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:42,960 Resort & Spa 232 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:45,810 tickets and info are available over at 233 00:12:50,630 --> 00:12:47,610 Jimmy Church radio.com just click on the 234 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:50,640 banner right there for contact in the 235 00:12:56,210 --> 00:12:53,210 desert and then right after that is our 236 00:12:59,420 --> 00:12:56,220 conference which is August 9th through 237 00:13:01,580 --> 00:12:59,430 the 12th Sol Tech it's the salt a 238 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:01,590 gathering up at ESET e at the e city 239 00:13:06,260 --> 00:13:03,570 ranch in Washington we're only selling 240 00:13:09,260 --> 00:13:06,270 300 tickets gonna sell out here soon and 241 00:13:14,180 --> 00:13:09,270 you can go and get your tickets and info 242 00:13:17,330 --> 00:13:14,190 Sol Tech gathering dot-com and I was 243 00:13:18,890 --> 00:13:17,340 just going to comment I can't remember 244 00:13:22,340 --> 00:13:18,900 what the comment was so I'll get back to 245 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:22,350 that and don't forget our podcast we 246 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:25,050 have over 825 archived shows just two 247 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:27,690 dollars a month you can go and subscribe 248 00:13:33,020 --> 00:13:30,810 for the podcast to maturity comm click 249 00:13:36,380 --> 00:13:33,030 on the banner and also become an 250 00:13:38,900 --> 00:13:36,390 official fade or not and now a quick 251 00:13:40,790 --> 00:13:38,910 note on that you can go to our 252 00:13:43,609 --> 00:13:40,800 membership section on the site 253 00:13:45,439 --> 00:13:43,619 and you can get the bunker cam 254 00:13:47,900 --> 00:13:45,449 commercial free downloadable archives 255 00:13:49,790 --> 00:13:47,910 and you can even get the game changer 256 00:13:52,850 --> 00:13:49,800 with autograph hats and t-shirts and so 257 00:13:56,179 --> 00:13:52,860 forth so we had some issues with some of 258 00:14:00,049 --> 00:13:56,189 our shirts which have been reprinted we 259 00:14:04,119 --> 00:14:00,059 got that out we had some database issues 260 00:14:08,199 --> 00:14:04,129 too as well but the good news is 261 00:14:10,879 --> 00:14:08,209 everything is shipping and heading out 262 00:14:14,419 --> 00:14:10,889 so if you've been backordered or 263 00:14:19,009 --> 00:14:14,429 whatever you'll start to see the new 264 00:14:22,009 --> 00:14:19,019 stuff shortly in your mailbox and by the 265 00:14:25,879 --> 00:14:22,019 end of the week I would say especially 266 00:14:28,220 --> 00:14:25,889 after what we did today and we just 267 00:14:32,090 --> 00:14:28,230 ordered a new round of the new shirts 268 00:14:35,900 --> 00:14:32,100 we'll get two photographs up of those in 269 00:14:38,059 --> 00:14:35,910 a few days they look really nice and but 270 00:14:41,650 --> 00:14:38,069 by the end of the week I think we should 271 00:14:44,329 --> 00:14:41,660 be all caught up so if you if you've 272 00:14:47,419 --> 00:14:44,339 ordered stuff and our t-shirt thing 273 00:14:52,179 --> 00:14:47,429 there was some issues with and it was 274 00:14:55,100 --> 00:14:52,189 just bizarro world stuff going on with 275 00:14:57,919 --> 00:14:55,110 with the database in the payment system 276 00:15:00,590 --> 00:14:57,929 I think those have been ironed out but 277 00:15:03,590 --> 00:15:00,600 missing addresses and just craziness and 278 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:03,600 we reached out to as many people as we 279 00:15:09,169 --> 00:15:05,970 could to get all of your addresses in 280 00:15:12,499 --> 00:15:09,179 and it took drew to go in and figure 281 00:15:17,359 --> 00:15:12,509 this out and going back and forth and we 282 00:15:19,759 --> 00:15:17,369 had blank addresses weird you know and 283 00:15:23,059 --> 00:15:19,769 so anyway I think we've got all of that 284 00:15:25,340 --> 00:15:23,069 ironed out so you should be able to wear 285 00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:25,350 your fade to black ear here shortly and 286 00:15:30,019 --> 00:15:27,600 don't forget all of our sponsors life 287 00:15:33,230 --> 00:15:30,029 change t get the t.com River Moon coffee 288 00:15:36,139 --> 00:15:33,240 new pharma ancient life oil sacred 289 00:15:38,239 --> 00:15:36,149 skulls new manna food storage and of 290 00:15:43,729 --> 00:15:38,249 course barring optics let's get this 291 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:43,739 show crackin happy birthday to today you 292 00:15:51,079 --> 00:15:46,730 know I'm gonna say this our daughter's 293 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:51,089 growing up had posters of this guy all 294 00:15:56,030 --> 00:15:53,310 over their bedroom 295 00:15:58,699 --> 00:15:56,040 and when I was growing up I remember 296 00:16:01,160 --> 00:15:58,709 Donny Osmond and in my sister's bedroom 297 00:16:05,629 --> 00:16:01,170 but these days it's a different story 298 00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:05,639 and for my daughters it was Gerard Way 299 00:16:15,019 --> 00:16:09,600 of My Chemical Romance and Gerard Way 300 00:16:16,939 --> 00:16:15,029 today is 41 years old and it makes sense 301 00:16:19,579 --> 00:16:16,949 to when I think about the math and how 302 00:16:21,499 --> 00:16:19,589 it's all put together but My Chemical 303 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:21,509 Romance and you know what they weren't a 304 00:16:29,689 --> 00:16:24,930 bad band you know and I are they still 305 00:16:35,150 --> 00:16:29,699 together Gerard Way today is 41 and we 306 00:16:38,780 --> 00:16:35,160 may we may actually have Gerard Way on 307 00:16:42,110 --> 00:16:38,790 the show here soon because he is fully 308 00:16:44,660 --> 00:16:42,120 engaged into our community and there's 309 00:16:48,619 --> 00:16:44,670 more on that and he's working on a comic 310 00:16:50,650 --> 00:16:48,629 book Oh am I allowed to say that oh I 311 00:16:53,569 --> 00:16:50,660 don't know if I could announce it can i 312 00:16:57,650 --> 00:16:53,579 I'll clear that up and then I'll answer 313 00:17:02,110 --> 00:16:57,660 every buddy tomorrow on that Gerard Way 314 00:17:05,179 --> 00:17:02,120 today is 41 on this day in history 1959 315 00:17:08,590 --> 00:17:05,189 NASA introduces America's first 316 00:17:12,860 --> 00:17:08,600 astronauts to the press scott Carpenter 317 00:17:17,230 --> 00:17:12,870 Gordon Cooper John Glenn Virgil Gus 318 00:17:21,470 --> 00:17:17,240 Grissom Walter schirra Alan Shepard and 319 00:17:26,860 --> 00:17:21,480 Donald deke slayton wall introduced to 320 00:17:31,730 --> 00:17:26,870 the world on this day in 1959 fader fact 321 00:17:36,639 --> 00:17:31,740 Steve Jobs was adopted his biological 322 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:36,649 father was Abdul Fattah Jan dally a 323 00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:42,330 Syrian Muslim yeah that's a fader factor 324 00:17:50,750 --> 00:17:45,809 but I've got part too because even more 325 00:17:54,610 --> 00:17:50,760 amazing is that Jobs believed his vegan 326 00:18:01,460 --> 00:17:54,620 diet would eliminate the need of 327 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:01,470 showering is this thing on this thing 328 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:05,650 working did you hear that and that 329 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:09,610 is a fader fact all right where am i ad 330 00:18:13,950 --> 00:18:11,650 tonight John Greenwald is here the black 331 00:18:16,290 --> 00:18:13,960 vaults we're gonna talk about his 332 00:18:19,290 --> 00:18:16,300 investigation into TTS a in a tip which 333 00:18:21,810 --> 00:18:19,300 you can read over at the black vault all 334 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:21,820 of the documents and his work is 335 00:18:27,540 --> 00:18:25,930 presented there very extensive research 336 00:18:29,340 --> 00:18:27,550 we're gonna go through all of that 337 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:29,350 tonight tomorrow night 338 00:18:34,980 --> 00:18:30,910 Anthony have Sanchez we're going to talk 339 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:34,990 about numbers of UFO sightings around 340 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:37,810 the world he has compiled an amazing 341 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:39,250 amount of data we're gonna do that 342 00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:42,250 tomorrow night Wednesday night Daniel P 343 00:18:49,050 --> 00:18:46,000 Sheehan and I don't know how many times 344 00:18:51,780 --> 00:18:49,060 Danny has been on the show but every 345 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:51,790 conversation with Danny it just stops me 346 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:52,930 in my tracks 347 00:18:59,610 --> 00:18:57,330 I remember this couple of years ago it 348 00:19:03,270 --> 00:18:59,620 contacted in the desert and I was 349 00:19:05,250 --> 00:19:03,280 hosting a panel with Danny and this 350 00:19:05,940 --> 00:19:05,260 might have been three years ago and that 351 00:19:09,930 --> 00:19:05,950 panel 352 00:19:12,810 --> 00:19:09,940 I gave Danny such a hard time ingest I 353 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:12,820 was just having fun but he would say 354 00:19:18,810 --> 00:19:16,090 things you know well you know back when 355 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:18,820 I was doing you know sozin you know and 356 00:19:24,030 --> 00:19:21,130 I and I was and I but how old were you 357 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:24,040 when he did that uh you know I was 14 358 00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:26,770 and it was just crammed I'm joking you 359 00:19:33,420 --> 00:19:29,760 know but but by the time he was 30 he 360 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:33,430 nearly caused a revolution in this 361 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:36,010 country and and he has just had the most 362 00:19:40,830 --> 00:19:39,010 amazing career ever and so that's what 363 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:40,840 we're gonna do on Wednesday night we're 364 00:19:44,220 --> 00:19:42,490 gonna discuss the state of disclosure 365 00:19:46,170 --> 00:19:44,230 what is going on around the world with 366 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:46,180 the Cabal and the Illuminati in the New 367 00:19:54,990 --> 00:19:48,370 World Order all of that's gonna go down 368 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:55,000 on Wednesday night ight ight now for at 369 00:19:59,820 --> 00:19:57,090 least a year 370 00:20:04,200 --> 00:19:59,830 okay look what's been going down with 371 00:20:07,740 --> 00:20:04,210 Facebook lately I am sure that they are 372 00:20:10,590 --> 00:20:07,750 having meetings all day long up at 373 00:20:14,820 --> 00:20:10,600 Facebook about how to write the ship and 374 00:20:17,820 --> 00:20:14,830 get things back on track that's all they 375 00:20:18,930 --> 00:20:17,830 are trying to do I am sure they have for 376 00:20:23,610 --> 00:20:18,940 the first time 377 00:20:26,010 --> 00:20:23,620 saw users leave Facebook and accounts 378 00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:26,020 canceled and people running for the 379 00:20:28,140 --> 00:20:26,320 hills 380 00:20:31,980 --> 00:20:28,150 and they've never had this happen before 381 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:31,990 I don't know how many have left Facebook 382 00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:34,210 I'm sure the number is in the millions 383 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:37,600 when you have 2.2 billion users do you 384 00:20:41,940 --> 00:20:40,570 miss a million users well I'm sure that 385 00:20:45,150 --> 00:20:41,950 they have had nothing but a growth curve 386 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:45,160 right well I think it stopped right and 387 00:20:50,660 --> 00:20:47,530 maybe they're seeing a dip for the first 388 00:20:54,150 --> 00:20:50,670 time and it's got to be alarming and 389 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:54,160 that being said Facebook has brought all 390 00:20:59,060 --> 00:20:57,010 of this onto themselves there's a 391 00:21:01,740 --> 00:20:59,070 certain amount of trust that is built 392 00:21:05,820 --> 00:21:01,750 and the way that the company started 393 00:21:08,420 --> 00:21:05,830 that trust was fun and cool but it is 394 00:21:12,540 --> 00:21:08,430 gone the other way for them but now 395 00:21:16,620 --> 00:21:12,550 adding insult to injury for the last 396 00:21:19,620 --> 00:21:16,630 year at least a year the biggest page on 397 00:21:25,130 --> 00:21:19,630 Facebook purporting to be part of the 398 00:21:29,610 --> 00:21:25,140 black lives matter movement was a scam 399 00:21:35,820 --> 00:21:29,620 with ties ties to a middle-aged white 400 00:21:40,830 --> 00:21:35,830 man in Australia in Mackay who was also 401 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:40,840 a National Union of workers official the 402 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:44,410 page titled simply black lives matter 403 00:21:52,770 --> 00:21:48,970 had almost 700,000 followers on Facebook 404 00:21:56,580 --> 00:21:52,780 more than twice as many as the official 405 00:21:58,860 --> 00:21:56,590 black lives matter page it was tied to 406 00:22:01,530 --> 00:21:58,870 online fundraisers that brought in at 407 00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,540 least $100,000 as supposedly went to 408 00:22:05,790 --> 00:22:03,520 black lives matter causes in the United 409 00:22:07,740 --> 00:22:05,800 States we don't know how much but at 410 00:22:11,250 --> 00:22:07,750 least some of the money has officially 411 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:11,260 been transferred to Australian bank 412 00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:17,890 accounts the page is now suspended but 413 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:20,080 it's only suspended after almost a week 414 00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:23,370 of emails and calls between CNN of all 415 00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:27,760 right and Facebook about the story and 416 00:22:32,490 --> 00:22:30,760 then after that Facebook finally 417 00:22:35,250 --> 00:22:32,500 suspended the page 418 00:22:38,370 --> 00:22:35,260 and only then because it suspended a 419 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:38,380 user account that administrated the page 420 00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,510 not because it was a scam page Facebook 421 00:22:48,990 --> 00:22:45,520 would have left the page up if they 422 00:22:52,649 --> 00:22:49,000 hadn't gotten caught some Facebook users 423 00:22:55,529 --> 00:22:52,659 can now see whether their data may be 424 00:22:58,770 --> 00:22:55,539 obtained by political data firm 425 00:23:02,039 --> 00:22:58,780 Cambridge analytical and this comes 426 00:23:06,690 --> 00:23:02,049 after everything was disclosed with this 427 00:23:08,399 --> 00:23:06,700 fake a scam page so Facebook opposite of 428 00:23:09,980 --> 00:23:08,409 YouTube by the way and I'll get to that 429 00:23:15,419 --> 00:23:09,990 in just a second 430 00:23:17,130 --> 00:23:15,429 Facebook is is dealing with themselves 431 00:23:23,250 --> 00:23:17,140 being in the news in the mass media 432 00:23:25,950 --> 00:23:23,260 every single day about data and and fake 433 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:25,960 stuff I want to say this right I don't 434 00:23:32,190 --> 00:23:28,890 know I don't want to seem too harsh here 435 00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:32,200 but all of it everything facebook has 436 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:35,799 brought upon themselves all right 437 00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:38,260 Oh somebody just posted here Roger King 438 00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:41,200 you mentioned jobs Waze really wazniak 439 00:23:47,220 --> 00:23:44,049 just bailed on Facebook man that's harsh 440 00:23:51,210 --> 00:23:47,230 is that official I would like to know if 441 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:51,220 that's actually true before I say that 442 00:23:57,419 --> 00:23:53,530 publicly but that's that would be pretty 443 00:24:01,980 --> 00:23:57,429 amazing if he did too as well but now in 444 00:24:06,899 --> 00:24:01,990 the news Facebook is supposedly rolling 445 00:24:11,159 --> 00:24:06,909 out this program to see how you were 446 00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,169 affected tool right and it's supposed to 447 00:24:16,350 --> 00:24:13,600 be at the top of the news feeds to 448 00:24:17,820 --> 00:24:16,360 inform users if they were among the tens 449 00:24:19,710 --> 00:24:17,830 of millions of people who had their data 450 00:24:22,409 --> 00:24:19,720 improperly harvested by Cambridge 451 00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:22,419 analytic and the link will take them to 452 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:25,600 the Help Center page that says if and 453 00:24:31,049 --> 00:24:28,510 how their data may have been misused I 454 00:24:34,649 --> 00:24:31,059 haven't seen anything pop up on Facebook 455 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:34,659 yet in my feed the full rollout is going 456 00:24:37,950 --> 00:24:36,370 to happen over time apparently they're 457 00:24:40,140 --> 00:24:37,960 not going to do it right away so not all 458 00:24:43,799 --> 00:24:40,150 users will see a link at the same time I 459 00:24:45,570 --> 00:24:43,809 haven't seen anything yet users who are 460 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:45,580 not affected will see a different link 461 00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:46,130 hi 462 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:50,150 that link yet either 463 00:24:54,370 --> 00:24:52,490 okay the link also directs users to a 464 00:24:57,630 --> 00:24:54,380 tool that allows them to disconnect apps 465 00:24:59,620 --> 00:24:57,640 from their accounts tomorrow 466 00:25:02,110 --> 00:24:59,630 Zuckerberg is going to appear before 467 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:02,120 Congress to discuss the data controversy 468 00:25:05,650 --> 00:25:03,530 and yeah of course I'm going to be 469 00:25:07,690 --> 00:25:05,660 watching as will the rest of the world 470 00:25:10,780 --> 00:25:07,700 there are so many huge stories 471 00:25:13,570 --> 00:25:10,790 developing at the same time we have 472 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:13,580 Facebook we have the North Korea meeting 473 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:16,370 with Trump and I'm wondering if it will 474 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:19,850 actually happen but let's see but we 475 00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:24,290 have that we have Syria and last week we 476 00:25:29,410 --> 00:25:26,720 were done with Syria right and we were 477 00:25:31,810 --> 00:25:29,420 gonna start pulling back our troops but 478 00:25:33,850 --> 00:25:31,820 now it appears that is not the case 479 00:25:35,620 --> 00:25:33,860 there's a chemical attack and it looks 480 00:25:38,170 --> 00:25:35,630 like we're gonna be bombing the country 481 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:38,180 in the next 24 hours we have the China 482 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:40,970 trade Wars and how that's ratcheting up 483 00:25:46,540 --> 00:25:43,970 and our stock market crashing all of 484 00:25:48,580 --> 00:25:46,550 this is just the portion of the news 485 00:25:52,450 --> 00:25:48,590 that involve the Cabal in the New World 486 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:52,460 Order it's like crazy that's all going 487 00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:55,250 out at the same time but isn't it 488 00:26:01,890 --> 00:25:58,400 amazing how YouTube managed to get 489 00:26:06,610 --> 00:26:01,900 themselves out of the news cycle so fast 490 00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:06,620 just last week somebody went in to 491 00:26:11,710 --> 00:26:10,480 YouTube and shot up the place over what 492 00:26:15,390 --> 00:26:11,720 censorship 493 00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:15,400 right throttling back numbers maybe 494 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:18,710 subscribers views clicks on a page and 495 00:26:26,050 --> 00:26:22,250 that was that was a really really big 496 00:26:27,790 --> 00:26:26,060 deal not only what happened in that 497 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:27,800 somebody went in shot up the place and 498 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:30,050 then she shot herself and committed 499 00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:36,050 suicide on the YouTube campus but it was 500 00:26:45,790 --> 00:26:40,640 over censorship and YouTube managed to 501 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:45,800 get all of it out of the news and I am 502 00:26:53,650 --> 00:26:50,930 impressed you know I I I don't know what 503 00:26:56,050 --> 00:26:53,660 to make of it part of it is also the 504 00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:56,060 news cycle that we are in right now 505 00:26:59,650 --> 00:26:58,610 I don't do politics on the show so I'm 506 00:27:01,060 --> 00:26:59,660 not going to get involved 507 00:27:02,770 --> 00:27:01,070 and all of that but there were some huge 508 00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:02,780 breaking news today that went down in 509 00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:08,630 New York we have so we have that with 510 00:27:14,590 --> 00:27:11,510 the SD and Y and what they are doing in 511 00:27:16,420 --> 00:27:14,600 New York we have the UN Security Council 512 00:27:19,060 --> 00:27:16,430 meetings right now going down with nikki 513 00:27:20,650 --> 00:27:19,070 Haley telling them that we don't care 514 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:20,660 what the UN does we're gonna start 515 00:27:28,330 --> 00:27:23,930 bombing so that is going on and all of 516 00:27:30,340 --> 00:27:28,340 with everything else Facebook and what's 517 00:27:33,730 --> 00:27:30,350 going on with North Korea and of course 518 00:27:36,910 --> 00:27:33,740 Russia all of this is like big New World 519 00:27:43,060 --> 00:27:36,920 Order stuff right and I guess it needed 520 00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:43,070 to be that big to overshadow YouTube and 521 00:27:50,350 --> 00:27:47,030 I find that amazing I really really do 522 00:27:53,410 --> 00:27:50,360 so with all of that we're gonna talk to 523 00:27:56,220 --> 00:27:53,420 John Greenwald tonight one of the things 524 00:27:59,170 --> 00:27:56,230 that I do want to mention and I I 525 00:28:02,320 --> 00:27:59,180 covered this in my little intro to the 526 00:28:07,180 --> 00:28:02,330 show tonight with the fader knots in the 527 00:28:10,750 --> 00:28:07,190 bunker cam but the black vault when it 528 00:28:14,620 --> 00:28:10,760 started it was and still is to this day 529 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:14,630 one of my go-to resources for anything 530 00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:19,370 and I found out and I remember somebody 531 00:28:26,260 --> 00:28:23,420 had told me it was in in in the 90s 532 00:28:28,750 --> 00:28:26,270 somewhere maybe around 2000 but somebody 533 00:28:30,130 --> 00:28:28,760 said one of my UFO friends goes hey man 534 00:28:33,220 --> 00:28:30,140 you know the guy that runs the black 535 00:28:36,820 --> 00:28:33,230 vault he's like 12 years old and he 536 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:36,830 lives in Burbank and you know something 537 00:28:40,510 --> 00:28:38,690 to that effect I was like we've got to 538 00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:40,520 be kidding me so then I go and I find 539 00:28:45,910 --> 00:28:43,520 out I did go check out John Greenwald I 540 00:28:48,910 --> 00:28:45,920 found out just that he was a he was a 541 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:48,920 teenager when he started that John has 542 00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:51,530 been around with the internet since just 543 00:28:56,650 --> 00:28:55,190 about day one so he is one of the most 544 00:28:59,290 --> 00:28:56,660 important people to talk to about 545 00:29:01,030 --> 00:28:59,300 anything he knows how to dance on the 546 00:29:03,070 --> 00:29:01,040 internet he knows how to investigate 547 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:03,080 he's a great producer of television 548 00:29:08,830 --> 00:29:06,170 shows here in Burbank and he's been 549 00:29:10,930 --> 00:29:08,840 doing this forever so when he 550 00:29:12,490 --> 00:29:10,940 investigates and he goes and he needs to 551 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:12,500 find out stuff 552 00:29:18,580 --> 00:29:16,610 he will not stop and he knows how to get 553 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:18,590 it done we're gonna discuss all of that 554 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:19,610 with him tonight 555 00:29:24,190 --> 00:29:21,770 this is fade to black I'm your host 556 00:29:42,830 --> 00:29:24,200 Jimmy Church I'll be right back with our 557 00:30:27,300 --> 00:29:52,000 [Music] 558 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:30,340 you're listening to Jimmy Church fade to 559 00:30:40,180 --> 00:30:36,670 fade to black will now pause for aided 560 00:30:47,950 --> 00:30:40,190 identification the station there talks 561 00:30:50,590 --> 00:30:47,960 that kgr a radio when you take the beans 562 00:30:53,170 --> 00:30:50,600 from Central America with dashes of 563 00:30:55,540 --> 00:30:53,180 indonesian and african mixed in and then 564 00:30:58,420 --> 00:30:55,550 roast it to the dark side of fade 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Reiner from anvil and 622 00:33:43,370 --> 00:33:37,830 you're listening to Jimmy Church 623 00:34:00,440 --> 00:33:43,380 radio.com comments and we're listening 624 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:03,180 all right welcome back fade to black 625 00:34:11,580 --> 00:34:07,770 I like saying that fade to black 626 00:34:14,430 --> 00:34:11,590 fade to black it should be a song oh it 627 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:14,440 is I'm a hippie Church I'm the game 628 00:34:20,669 --> 00:34:17,490 changer network and kg RA the planets 629 00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:20,679 tonight our guest is John Greenwald 630 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:24,060 tomorrow night Anthony of Sanchez's here 631 00:34:31,230 --> 00:34:28,450 Wednesday night Daniel Danny P Sheehan 632 00:34:33,060 --> 00:34:31,240 Thursday night Jon Rappoport and is no 633 00:34:36,390 --> 00:34:33,070 more fake newsroom live followed by open 634 00:34:39,690 --> 00:34:36,400 lines all night long and this weekend 635 00:34:42,390 --> 00:34:39,700 I'm not over at Coast to Coast AM what 636 00:34:45,570 --> 00:34:42,400 am I going to do with myself but tonight 637 00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:45,580 it is John Greenwald jr. he hosts the 638 00:34:50,970 --> 00:34:48,910 popular website the black vault comm the 639 00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:50,980 black vault is the largest online 640 00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:53,470 database of US government documents in 641 00:34:57,420 --> 00:34:55,929 the world John began researching the 642 00:35:01,440 --> 00:34:57,430 secret inner workings of the US 643 00:35:04,530 --> 00:35:01,450 government at the young age of 15 he 644 00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:04,540 targeted such groups as the CIA the FBI 645 00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:08,080 the Pentagon the Air Force Army Navy the 646 00:35:14,670 --> 00:35:11,230 NSA the DIA countless others Greenwald 647 00:35:17,250 --> 00:35:14,680 utilized the Freedom of Information Act 648 00:35:19,740 --> 00:35:17,260 foi ADA gained access to thousands of 649 00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:19,750 records he accumulated an astonishing 650 00:35:24,270 --> 00:35:21,760 number of documents on topics related to 651 00:35:26,220 --> 00:35:24,280 UFOs the JFK assassination chemical 652 00:35:30,060 --> 00:35:26,230 biological and nuclear weapons and 653 00:35:32,010 --> 00:35:30,070 top-secret aircraft he has been featured 654 00:35:33,420 --> 00:35:32,020 on television networks such as The 655 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:33,430 History Channel Discovery Channel 656 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:36,730 Learning Channel aney FOX NBC along with 657 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:39,370 international networks such as the BBC 658 00:35:44,730 --> 00:35:41,770 in the NTV over in Japan tonight we're 659 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:44,740 gonna discuss his research into to the 660 00:35:49,620 --> 00:35:47,290 Stars Academy Lewis Elizondo 661 00:35:51,870 --> 00:35:49,630 a tip through his direct contact with 662 00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,880 the Pentagon and documents he acquired 663 00:35:57,180 --> 00:35:53,920 through the Freedom of Information Act 664 00:35:59,490 --> 00:35:57,190 his website of course is the black vault 665 00:36:01,530 --> 00:35:59,500 comm I would like to welcome back to 666 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:01,540 fade to black the one and only John 667 00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,530 Greenwald 668 00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:04,720 I'm gonna say junior I have to John good 669 00:36:08,430 --> 00:36:07,510 evening I appreciate that yeah thank you 670 00:36:11,130 --> 00:36:08,440 it's good to be here 671 00:36:13,329 --> 00:36:11,140 you know John this is the thing and I 672 00:36:15,759 --> 00:36:13,339 kind of I'm joking about this but 673 00:36:19,059 --> 00:36:15,769 I'm not but when I discovered the black 674 00:36:21,249 --> 00:36:19,069 vaults back in the 90s I had one of my 675 00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:21,259 UFO buddies hit me up one day and I was 676 00:36:24,279 --> 00:36:22,670 we were talking about the black vault 677 00:36:27,849 --> 00:36:24,289 he's like hey man you know it's run by a 678 00:36:30,339 --> 00:36:27,859 12 year old and I was like what so I 679 00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:30,349 looked into you and sure enough he you 680 00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:34,160 know he was saying it in jest but he 681 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:36,829 wasn't far off with that but when people 682 00:36:42,009 --> 00:36:40,130 say things like well you know the black 683 00:36:44,259 --> 00:36:42,019 vote you know it's probably run by some 684 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:44,269 fifteen-year-old kid in his underwear in 685 00:36:51,759 --> 00:36:48,130 Burbank they were right that's a 686 00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:51,769 Catholic yeah that was quite a few years 687 00:36:56,319 --> 00:36:54,049 ago now but yeah no no they were they 688 00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:56,329 were right it was a long time ago and I 689 00:37:01,839 --> 00:36:59,359 dreamt up this idea but I was 15 when I 690 00:37:03,459 --> 00:37:01,849 started it and it was all based on the 691 00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:03,469 the Freedom of Information Act request 692 00:37:07,359 --> 00:37:04,640 like like you had mentioned in the 693 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:07,369 introduction there and and I just I knew 694 00:37:13,089 --> 00:37:09,890 that there was a thirst for this type of 695 00:37:14,890 --> 00:37:13,099 knowledge and even at 15 you know I mean 696 00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:14,900 I was a punk little kid who I should 697 00:37:21,309 --> 00:37:17,839 have been focusing more on schoolwork 698 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:21,319 and and by the way my parents you said 699 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:23,930 I'm a junior senior along with my mother 700 00:37:27,999 --> 00:37:25,729 who's my biggest fan are listening in to 701 00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,009 you right now Jimmy oh yeah they will 702 00:37:32,019 --> 00:37:30,079 agree they will agree that I should have 703 00:37:33,729 --> 00:37:32,029 focused more on school and I'm sure 704 00:37:35,739 --> 00:37:33,739 they're laughing right now both out loud 705 00:37:36,940 --> 00:37:35,749 but it's true I should have focused more 706 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:36,950 on school but that's when I started the 707 00:37:40,839 --> 00:37:38,210 black vault I was a sophomore in high 708 00:37:42,670 --> 00:37:40,849 school and Here I am twelve thousand 709 00:37:44,499 --> 00:37:42,680 years later and then still at it yeah 710 00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:44,509 and so you did you go to Burbank High 711 00:37:47,950 --> 00:37:44,960 School 712 00:37:50,709 --> 00:37:47,960 I didn't al Alemany to be exact 713 00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:50,719 oh yeah for high school all right there 714 00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:53,599 you go now this is the thing and your 715 00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,089 parents are really cool by the way and 716 00:38:01,529 --> 00:37:58,640 I'll just say that right now 717 00:38:06,969 --> 00:38:01,539 to support you through this I'm sure 718 00:38:09,940 --> 00:38:06,979 they had other plans well in that they 719 00:38:13,809 --> 00:38:09,950 don't need their son's name on all of 720 00:38:16,959 --> 00:38:13,819 the list at all of the agencies yeah 721 00:38:20,109 --> 00:38:16,969 have you thought about that I mean now 722 00:38:21,759 --> 00:38:20,119 here and stay one yes yeah and and 723 00:38:24,009 --> 00:38:21,769 here's and here's why not to cut you off 724 00:38:25,940 --> 00:38:24,019 but my dad has the same name I do he's 725 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:25,950 John Greenwald also right now 726 00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:30,210 I adopted the jr. to not confuse the 727 00:38:35,450 --> 00:38:33,510 government with my father who I'm not 728 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:35,460 blowing any state secrets here but he 729 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:39,570 worked for Rocketdyne and worked on the 730 00:38:45,140 --> 00:38:42,450 space shuttle and so indirectly he was 731 00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:45,150 working you know with NASA and and and 732 00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:47,700 contracted obviously through Rocketdyne 733 00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:51,540 and so he was definitely afraid that 734 00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:55,200 this fifteen-year-old kid was was filing 735 00:38:58,099 --> 00:38:56,400 these Freedom of Information Act 736 00:38:59,240 --> 00:38:58,109 requests for every government secret you 737 00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:59,250 could ever imagine I mean we're talking 738 00:39:03,890 --> 00:39:01,560 about UFOs tonight and that is where I 739 00:39:06,740 --> 00:39:03,900 started but I told everything I mean 740 00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:06,750 I've got now here we are 21 years later 741 00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:09,660 I've got almost 2 million pages on every 742 00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:10,920 government secret you could probably 743 00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:13,440 dream up and I've either gone after 744 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:15,630 records on it or have something on it 745 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:18,450 and so my dad god bless him had a you 746 00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:22,050 know a job working in essence for the 747 00:39:26,420 --> 00:39:24,420 government a government contractor I had 748 00:39:28,490 --> 00:39:26,430 to adopt that jr. I'm not legally a jr. 749 00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:28,500 but that's why that's why it has stuck 750 00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:31,079 ever since then because senior did not 751 00:39:35,780 --> 00:39:34,020 look did not want to be confused with me 752 00:39:39,260 --> 00:39:35,790 yeah and here in the valley 753 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:39,270 most people don't know around the 754 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:41,970 country they think of Burbank and they 755 00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:44,130 think of NBC or Johnny Carson 756 00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:46,200 and and the telev and as well they 757 00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:47,849 should and Disney and and everything 758 00:39:51,980 --> 00:39:50,280 that goes on here the if you're not 759 00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:51,990 working for the movie or television 760 00:39:59,150 --> 00:39:55,470 industry you were working for Lockheed 761 00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,160 you were working for a Rocketdyne or all 762 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:01,920 of these other aerospace companies that 763 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:04,890 all the way across the valley from 764 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:07,410 Thousand Oaks and Simi Valley the the 765 00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:10,410 Mojave Desert all the way in to Burbank 766 00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:13,260 the Lockheed Lockheed skunkworks which 767 00:40:19,339 --> 00:40:15,300 as everybody knows was at Burbank 768 00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,349 Airport across the street and I used to 769 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:21,359 trip on this across the street there you 770 00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:24,690 know buy fries as the Lockheed credit 771 00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:27,569 union which was for the skunkworks 772 00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:31,140 employees and that that was the industry 773 00:40:34,579 --> 00:40:32,910 here so your father was a part of it who 774 00:40:36,530 --> 00:40:34,589 if he didn't do that he would have been 775 00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:36,540 in the movie industry so go figure 776 00:40:41,180 --> 00:40:39,660 yeah and it's sad though I will say this 777 00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:41,190 I will give a shout out not only to my 778 00:40:44,270 --> 00:40:42,900 dad but but but the men and women who 779 00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:44,280 worked on the space shuttle in the space 780 00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,380 program and it's so sad cuz I grew up 781 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:48,240 with it you know knowing that my dad 782 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:49,650 worked on these things I would watch the 783 00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:51,690 launches we even went out to Edwards Air 784 00:40:55,849 --> 00:40:53,339 Force Base watch the landing one times 785 00:40:58,099 --> 00:40:55,859 really really cool but like you said a 786 00:40:59,799 --> 00:40:58,109 lot of times people weren't realizing 787 00:41:02,630 --> 00:40:59,809 what was in their own backyard and 788 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:02,640 Rocketdyne you know with with at the 789 00:41:08,829 --> 00:41:05,130 time had two plants in the valley and 790 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:08,839 where my dad worked who's now retired he 791 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:11,730 will drive by where he used to work in 792 00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:13,530 it I I don't know my dad will know 793 00:41:18,140 --> 00:41:15,510 better than I will but last I heard from 794 00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:18,150 him about it it was a dirt lot and you 795 00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:19,500 know these companies are being bought 796 00:41:22,339 --> 00:41:20,880 out by other companies and bigger 797 00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:22,349 corporations and it was no longer 798 00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:24,089 Rocketdyne it became Boeing and then 799 00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,680 Pratt and Whitney or whatever the the 800 00:41:30,529 --> 00:41:27,599 hierarchy was it just kind of gets old 801 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:30,539 and resold and and it's it's really sad 802 00:41:33,799 --> 00:41:32,010 because I think a lot of people they 803 00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:33,809 don't know that history like I said I 804 00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,329 grew up with it it's in my blood my 805 00:41:41,660 --> 00:41:38,880 grandfather from my dad's side worked on 806 00:41:44,089 --> 00:41:41,670 you know top-secret literally top-secret 807 00:41:45,740 --> 00:41:44,099 programs for the government and I was 808 00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,750 able to actually through the Freedom of 809 00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:48,240 Information Act find records that my 810 00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:51,000 grandfather wrote now he passed away 811 00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:53,369 before I was ever born but you know I 812 00:41:57,019 --> 00:41:55,529 know a lot of his history or at least 813 00:41:58,609 --> 00:41:57,029 some of it I should say and then through 814 00:42:01,069 --> 00:41:58,619 the Freedom of Information Act was was 815 00:42:03,019 --> 00:42:01,079 able to see some more so I it's in my 816 00:42:04,549 --> 00:42:03,029 blood to love this kind of stuff and I 817 00:42:07,730 --> 00:42:04,559 really do but it's sad because people 818 00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,740 really don't pay attention to what's in 819 00:42:11,059 --> 00:42:09,119 their own backyard and there's so much 820 00:42:13,130 --> 00:42:11,069 history out there not only here in the 821 00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:13,140 valley but I mean wherever you know 822 00:42:17,390 --> 00:42:14,760 wherever your listeners are from there's 823 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:17,400 there's probably something within 50 60 824 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:19,890 miles connecting to some kind of 825 00:42:24,740 --> 00:42:22,890 top-secret project somewhere and it's 826 00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:24,750 amazing when you take some time and look 827 00:42:36,019 --> 00:42:30,000 into it when you are 15 you life is long 828 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:36,029 and endless and you have a lot less care 829 00:42:44,779 --> 00:42:40,650 about yourself would you have done this 830 00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:44,789 stuff with you know targeting the CIA 831 00:42:51,019 --> 00:42:47,849 and the FBI and the Pentagon if you were 832 00:42:52,859 --> 00:42:51,029 an adult was that a decision made by a 833 00:42:55,739 --> 00:42:52,869 careless 15 year old 834 00:42:57,509 --> 00:42:55,749 no absolutely and I but I you know in 835 00:43:00,839 --> 00:42:57,519 the same breath I'll also say I never 836 00:43:03,299 --> 00:43:00,849 thought more than two decades later I 837 00:43:06,059 --> 00:43:03,309 would be talking to the Jimmy Church on 838 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:06,069 the radio and still doing it you know 839 00:43:10,799 --> 00:43:07,930 like I never would have dreamt that as a 840 00:43:13,319 --> 00:43:10,809 15 year old kid I was fascinated by it 841 00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,329 I dove in I had no idea what the Freedom 842 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:15,839 of Information Act was at the time and 843 00:43:19,259 --> 00:43:17,650 and I was learning about these 844 00:43:20,849 --> 00:43:19,269 intelligence agencies that I had never 845 00:43:23,370 --> 00:43:20,859 even heard of I mean everybody knows the 846 00:43:24,509 --> 00:43:23,380 CIA and the FBI and all that stuff but I 847 00:43:26,789 --> 00:43:24,519 was learning about these you know 848 00:43:28,799 --> 00:43:26,799 intelligence agencies that really aren't 849 00:43:30,329 --> 00:43:28,809 talked about a lot you know I mean 850 00:43:32,759 --> 00:43:30,339 organizations like the National 851 00:43:34,380 --> 00:43:32,769 Reconnaissance Office that operated in 852 00:43:36,059 --> 00:43:34,390 secret for decades before they were even 853 00:43:38,789 --> 00:43:36,069 officially acknowledged and Here I am 854 00:43:41,279 --> 00:43:38,799 you know just blindly flooding them all 855 00:43:43,739 --> 00:43:41,289 with Freedom of Information Act requests 856 00:43:46,259 --> 00:43:43,749 and letters and and what I learned 857 00:43:48,059 --> 00:43:46,269 indirectly from somebody in the Pentagon 858 00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:48,069 or I should say directly from somebody 859 00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:49,569 in the Pentagon who had retired and they 860 00:43:53,609 --> 00:43:51,369 wrote me on the side and they did not 861 00:43:55,019 --> 00:43:53,619 give me any state secrets before anybody 862 00:43:56,999 --> 00:43:55,029 listening and wants to call me and 863 00:43:59,299 --> 00:43:57,009 wonder what happened they just called in 864 00:44:02,190 --> 00:43:59,309 were very complimentary they had retired 865 00:44:03,630 --> 00:44:02,200 based on some of the bureaucracy that 866 00:44:06,359 --> 00:44:03,640 was going on and within the Pentagon 867 00:44:08,729 --> 00:44:06,369 they did confirm who they were by 868 00:44:10,140 --> 00:44:08,739 telling me about letters only I and the 869 00:44:12,930 --> 00:44:10,150 Pentagon knew about so they were 870 00:44:15,539 --> 00:44:12,940 definitely who they said you know we're 871 00:44:16,859 --> 00:44:15,549 saying they were and he told me he says 872 00:44:19,739 --> 00:44:16,869 you know the one thing that made you 873 00:44:21,539 --> 00:44:19,749 stand out other than your age was in 874 00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:21,549 essence you didn't take the company line 875 00:44:27,390 --> 00:44:24,400 and that has always stuck with me 876 00:44:31,049 --> 00:44:27,400 because as that 15 year old careless kid 877 00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:31,059 you to get them for the government to 878 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:32,529 get you away they're just going to give 879 00:44:35,970 --> 00:44:34,210 you that standard cut and paste line 880 00:44:37,950 --> 00:44:35,980 right and the majority of the people 881 00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:37,960 will walk away and go well they told me 882 00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:39,910 this so it has to be gospel and they'll 883 00:44:44,700 --> 00:44:42,609 they'll stop asking and he was very on a 884 00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:44,710 complimentary level said you did not 885 00:44:49,710 --> 00:44:46,960 take that line and you kept pushing and 886 00:44:51,630 --> 00:44:49,720 you kept asking those questions and he 887 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:51,640 said it went from a fascination inside 888 00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:52,930 the Pentagon and I don't want to say 889 00:44:57,630 --> 00:44:55,089 what office but it was in the Pentagon 890 00:45:00,210 --> 00:44:57,640 and he says it went from a fascination 891 00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:00,220 that a 15 and a 16 year old kid was 892 00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:02,710 doing this but then you stuck with it 893 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:05,440 and you didn't go away and he says then 894 00:45:07,770 --> 00:45:06,370 it up settle 895 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:07,780 the people he says that's part of the 896 00:45:12,060 --> 00:45:09,250 reason why I retired and left because 897 00:45:14,310 --> 00:45:12,070 you know they didn't want to actually do 898 00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:14,320 what they were there to do and that was 899 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:17,110 to honestly answer your questions and 900 00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:19,450 your FOIA requests and if you ask for 901 00:45:25,410 --> 00:45:22,630 something you know it by law to search 902 00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,420 for it and even though I did get the 903 00:45:30,420 --> 00:45:27,520 runaround a lot when I pushed I got 904 00:45:32,430 --> 00:45:30,430 answers and and the FOIA really was a 905 00:45:34,980 --> 00:45:32,440 very important tool that I learned very 906 00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:34,990 early on that although it had its 907 00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,670 shortcomings it was something that was 908 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:38,800 going to produce results what I do the 909 00:45:45,110 --> 00:45:41,530 same thing as an adult now that I have a 910 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:45,120 little four year old boys look after 911 00:45:50,910 --> 00:45:48,210 yeah I second-guess it 912 00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:50,920 you know Here I am I'm stuck I'm not 913 00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:51,670 going anywhere 914 00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:55,510 has it opened up relationships with the 915 00:46:00,690 --> 00:45:57,610 different agencies do you have 916 00:46:04,580 --> 00:46:00,700 relationships now and and you know can 917 00:46:07,950 --> 00:46:04,590 you pick up the phone and call the CIA I 918 00:46:10,110 --> 00:46:07,960 yeah and in fact on Friday I did that 919 00:46:11,550 --> 00:46:10,120 very thing and had a great conversation 920 00:46:14,580 --> 00:46:11,560 with one of the FOIA officers there 921 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:14,590 about one of my requests I've filed 922 00:46:19,740 --> 00:46:18,130 since that age of 15 8,000 Freedom of 923 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:19,750 Information Act request now those are 924 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:21,130 just the core letters that doesn't 925 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:23,290 include the follow-ups the appeals and 926 00:46:28,830 --> 00:46:25,770 all that so it is a huge amount of 927 00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:28,840 requesting and you know in that process 928 00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:31,720 yeah I've made friendships and and have 929 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:35,200 learned to really respect the people the 930 00:46:38,580 --> 00:46:36,730 majority of the people that are working 931 00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:38,590 inside these FOIA offices because I know 932 00:46:42,510 --> 00:46:40,990 that it's not easy and I know that 933 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:42,520 because they're dealing with people like 934 00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:44,890 me you know and I don't give up and I do 935 00:46:50,250 --> 00:46:46,720 ask those questions and I ask the hard 936 00:46:52,740 --> 00:46:50,260 ones and and and the what I mean by that 937 00:46:54,690 --> 00:46:52,750 is is requesting those documents and 938 00:46:57,150 --> 00:46:54,700 pushing for the answers by law they 939 00:46:58,890 --> 00:46:57,160 don't have to answer any questions so I 940 00:47:02,190 --> 00:46:58,900 kind of worded that wrong but but I'm 941 00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,200 pushing for the right documents and I'm 942 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:04,000 pushing in the right direction and so 943 00:47:09,450 --> 00:47:06,130 I've learned to respect that but then 944 00:47:12,060 --> 00:47:09,460 you do have you know some FOIA offices 945 00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:12,070 that aren't as good not as friendly not 946 00:47:17,010 --> 00:47:15,160 as thorough not as detailed not as open 947 00:47:19,410 --> 00:47:17,020 as others and those are the ones that 948 00:47:20,110 --> 00:47:19,420 become very challenging so although I've 949 00:47:23,140 --> 00:47:20,120 made friends 950 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:23,150 and acquaintances and and and learn to 951 00:47:27,130 --> 00:47:25,250 respect it and their in respective 952 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:27,140 process there are people that do try and 953 00:47:30,490 --> 00:47:28,730 hinder it and and it's sad 954 00:47:32,170 --> 00:47:30,500 because this is something that you and I 955 00:47:34,930 --> 00:47:32,180 pay a lot of money every year with our 956 00:47:37,570 --> 00:47:34,940 taxes for this program to work so I 957 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:37,580 think it's up to us to to utilize it and 958 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:39,170 it's up to them who's getting a paycheck 959 00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:42,410 paid for by you and me to actually do 960 00:47:47,110 --> 00:47:44,960 their job right and and that is where 961 00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:47,120 the challenge comes in but you know I 962 00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:48,800 just take that as part of the game and 963 00:47:55,780 --> 00:47:51,200 keep pushing tell me about the process a 964 00:48:01,480 --> 00:47:55,790 little bit when you are presenting your 965 00:48:05,590 --> 00:48:01,490 information you combine reporting and 966 00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,600 journalistic skills with the the black 967 00:48:12,070 --> 00:48:07,520 and white right the the documents 968 00:48:15,820 --> 00:48:12,080 themselves how much Liberty do you take 969 00:48:18,940 --> 00:48:15,830 in your comments and your opinions or is 970 00:48:22,570 --> 00:48:18,950 all of that only directly based on black 971 00:48:24,970 --> 00:48:22,580 and white it's primarily based on black 972 00:48:27,550 --> 00:48:24,980 and white and that's generally the only 973 00:48:30,130 --> 00:48:27,560 thing I give you my opinions are very 974 00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:30,140 few and far between I have a lot of fun 975 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:31,760 chatting about it like you and I are 976 00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:34,370 doing now and and and you know throwing 977 00:48:38,380 --> 00:48:36,250 things out there and making people think 978 00:48:40,270 --> 00:48:38,390 sometimes I'll throw ideas out there 979 00:48:42,370 --> 00:48:40,280 that I don't necessarily believe in but 980 00:48:44,350 --> 00:48:42,380 to play devil's advocate and in the 981 00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:44,360 grander scheme of things my idea with 982 00:48:47,770 --> 00:48:46,160 the black vault is to give you that 983 00:48:49,150 --> 00:48:47,780 information to really question what you 984 00:48:51,460 --> 00:48:49,160 think if I only gave you what you 985 00:48:54,250 --> 00:48:51,470 already believed you know wouldn't be 986 00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:54,260 that exciting and and the documents and 987 00:48:57,820 --> 00:48:55,730 a lot of ways really challenged 988 00:49:00,400 --> 00:48:57,830 everybody who chooses to read them 989 00:49:02,110 --> 00:49:00,410 because they aren't even though they're 990 00:49:04,030 --> 00:49:02,120 black and white in the true sense 991 00:49:05,770 --> 00:49:04,040 sometimes you really have to read 992 00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:05,780 between the lines and sometimes you 993 00:49:10,510 --> 00:49:08,000 really have to start thinking out of the 994 00:49:12,130 --> 00:49:10,520 box not only getting the information but 995 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:12,140 also trying to decipher what it means 996 00:49:15,820 --> 00:49:14,210 and so there's a couple wait you know 997 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:15,830 different ways to approach the black 998 00:49:19,780 --> 00:49:17,690 vault because a lot of people that go 999 00:49:21,730 --> 00:49:19,790 there they're not the FOIA requesters 1000 00:49:24,370 --> 00:49:21,740 they're not there to file their own 1001 00:49:26,830 --> 00:49:24,380 requests and use my information as a 1002 00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:26,840 stepping stone they're there to in 1003 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:28,310 essence learn and that's all they're 1004 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:30,290 there for on the other hand I do have 1005 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:31,490 those people that come to the black 1006 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:33,290 vault and use it as a stepping stone to 1007 00:49:35,859 --> 00:49:34,130 go after other 1008 00:49:38,349 --> 00:49:35,869 material but I didn't go after and 1009 00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:38,359 that's all part of why I do what I do is 1010 00:49:43,989 --> 00:49:41,119 to kind of bring everybody together and 1011 00:49:45,969 --> 00:49:43,999 give them give them the ammunition they 1012 00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:45,979 need to go out there and and pursue the 1013 00:49:51,460 --> 00:49:48,559 truth that what but the truth that 1014 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:51,470 they're looking for and and so that's 1015 00:49:56,380 --> 00:49:53,690 that's what I do but opinions it's 1016 00:49:58,359 --> 00:49:56,390 pretty rare online you know when I when 1017 00:50:00,279 --> 00:49:58,369 I give them again and it I let the 1018 00:50:01,210 --> 00:50:00,289 audience decide nobody really cares what 1019 00:50:05,289 --> 00:50:01,220 I think 1020 00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:05,299 document means that or this document 1021 00:50:10,779 --> 00:50:08,569 means this I in my ultimate goal is to 1022 00:50:13,269 --> 00:50:10,789 make people think for themselves and 1023 00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:13,279 decipher what it is and people will come 1024 00:50:16,660 --> 00:50:14,960 up with varying answers and that's all 1025 00:50:18,759 --> 00:50:16,670 well and good that's awesome because 1026 00:50:20,859 --> 00:50:18,769 that's that's why I do what I do I want 1027 00:50:22,660 --> 00:50:20,869 that debate and I want people to to have 1028 00:50:24,940 --> 00:50:22,670 fun looking at the information and also 1029 00:50:27,999 --> 00:50:24,950 I think that they're very surprised when 1030 00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:28,009 they take a little bit of time to read 1031 00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:31,609 it and the best letters I get I would 1032 00:50:36,190 --> 00:50:33,710 say the best but the most humorous I 1033 00:50:38,620 --> 00:50:36,200 guess is the right word is when somebody 1034 00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,630 accuses me of faking it that the 1035 00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:40,640 documents that I put online are nothing 1036 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:43,849 more than me in Photoshop or Microsoft 1037 00:50:48,729 --> 00:50:46,249 Word typing these things up and faking 1038 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:48,739 it and it sounds laughable but I 1039 00:50:52,989 --> 00:50:51,410 genuinely get those letters and the 1040 00:50:54,940 --> 00:50:52,999 reason why I love those so much is it 1041 00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:54,950 makes me realize I'm doing my job right 1042 00:50:59,799 --> 00:50:57,680 here though because this information is 1043 00:51:02,049 --> 00:50:59,809 something that challenged them so much 1044 00:51:04,089 --> 00:51:02,059 it was easier for them to say well John 1045 00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:04,099 Green Walt's faking it you know he hoax 1046 00:51:07,509 --> 00:51:05,839 that document there's no way it's real 1047 00:51:10,509 --> 00:51:07,519 and that's how I know that I've gotten 1048 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:10,519 somewhere good I have heard and I need 1049 00:51:15,940 --> 00:51:12,410 your clarification on this I have heard 1050 00:51:18,130 --> 00:51:15,950 from other for experts and requesters 1051 00:51:21,249 --> 00:51:18,140 out there that do you know it's really 1052 00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:21,259 hard work but they have told me I've 1053 00:51:25,269 --> 00:51:22,880 heard a variety of things but one of 1054 00:51:27,999 --> 00:51:25,279 them is that the easiest way to get a 1055 00:51:31,749 --> 00:51:28,009 FOIA document is you have the actual 1056 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:31,759 document number or the report number 1057 00:51:37,749 --> 00:51:35,210 that if you just go with search words 1058 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:37,759 they may not do the due diligence and 1059 00:51:41,140 --> 00:51:39,410 it's difficult and they have to go 1060 00:51:44,109 --> 00:51:41,150 through file cabinets and a lot of this 1061 00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:44,119 stuff is on paper and it's not digitized 1062 00:51:51,010 --> 00:51:46,910 and so can you help Claire 1063 00:51:53,260 --> 00:51:51,020 by that sure it all comes down to what 1064 00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:53,270 exactly you're requesting and like you 1065 00:51:58,180 --> 00:51:55,280 said a lot of things are just on paper 1066 00:52:00,099 --> 00:51:58,190 they're not digitized there's no keyword 1067 00:52:03,250 --> 00:52:00,109 search that they can just punch in and 1068 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:03,260 and and search for documents so you know 1069 00:52:07,390 --> 00:52:04,970 I would say that it doesn't rule you out 1070 00:52:09,819 --> 00:52:07,400 if you don't have a report number it 1071 00:52:13,299 --> 00:52:09,829 definitely helps but in the same respect 1072 00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:13,309 you know if you're too specific if you 1073 00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:16,250 give too much detail that is giving them 1074 00:52:21,819 --> 00:52:19,030 leeway to get out of it that if by 1075 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:21,829 reading exactly what you put and again 1076 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:23,930 you have too many details and a few 1077 00:52:28,740 --> 00:52:26,210 details are wrong they can technically 1078 00:52:31,299 --> 00:52:28,750 say not sorry we've got nothing on this 1079 00:52:33,789 --> 00:52:31,309 but it was just because you've worded it 1080 00:52:35,620 --> 00:52:33,799 too wordy and and wrong 1081 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:35,630 so sometimes it can come back and bite 1082 00:52:39,789 --> 00:52:37,490 you but again it really is a 1083 00:52:43,170 --> 00:52:39,799 case-by-case basis sometimes yes you're 1084 00:52:46,750 --> 00:52:43,180 absolutely right a report number a date 1085 00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:46,760 you know a title and author if there is 1086 00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:50,480 one or an agency that created it that is 1087 00:52:55,569 --> 00:52:52,609 definitely helpful with those types of 1088 00:52:57,309 --> 00:52:55,579 requests other times and this is 1089 00:53:00,670 --> 00:52:57,319 something that I've done even recently 1090 00:53:03,130 --> 00:53:00,680 where you go after emails for specific 1091 00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:03,140 personnel or a group of people at 1092 00:53:09,390 --> 00:53:06,400 whatever agency you're targeting for a 1093 00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:09,400 search of their email addresses but only 1094 00:53:16,450 --> 00:53:13,250 using a keyword search and that's it no 1095 00:53:19,210 --> 00:53:16,460 other details don't tell them why don't 1096 00:53:21,730 --> 00:53:19,220 get wordy you just say I want a search 1097 00:53:24,970 --> 00:53:21,740 of James Madison's emails for the 1098 00:53:27,220 --> 00:53:24,980 keyword North Korea right and that's it 1099 00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:27,230 and you don't say anything else and and 1100 00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:29,569 you give it a time frame and so you say 1101 00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:31,609 from January 1st 2017 1102 00:53:37,450 --> 00:53:35,119 you know December 31st and then and then 1103 00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,460 you see what you come up with and so you 1104 00:53:42,579 --> 00:53:39,440 you have to kind of frame it in that way 1105 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:42,589 with the least amount of specificity as 1106 00:53:47,019 --> 00:53:44,930 you can because that can come back and 1107 00:53:48,460 --> 00:53:47,029 bite you so I know that doesn't really 1108 00:53:51,069 --> 00:53:48,470 answer your question but it is a 1109 00:53:53,769 --> 00:53:51,079 case-by-case basis depending upon what 1110 00:53:56,049 --> 00:53:53,779 you're going to try and find that's how 1111 00:53:57,250 --> 00:53:56,059 you kind of formulate the request we're 1112 00:53:58,750 --> 00:53:57,260 going to head towards break here in a 1113 00:54:01,480 --> 00:53:58,760 few minutes 1114 00:54:05,380 --> 00:54:01,490 and we'll get into TTS a and what you 1115 00:54:09,820 --> 00:54:05,390 found out and but after the break but 1116 00:54:13,570 --> 00:54:09,830 that my question is this when a document 1117 00:54:16,450 --> 00:54:13,580 is created inside of the federal 1118 00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:16,460 government technically are all of those 1119 00:54:22,349 --> 00:54:19,760 documents technically available no 1120 00:54:26,590 --> 00:54:22,359 matter what the document is available 1121 00:54:29,980 --> 00:54:26,600 for FOIA yes as long as it's a federal 1122 00:54:33,210 --> 00:54:29,990 agency FBI NSA all of those agencies 1123 00:54:36,010 --> 00:54:33,220 there are exceptions one of which is the 1124 00:54:38,260 --> 00:54:36,020 White House so that is under the 1125 00:54:39,849 --> 00:54:38,270 presidential Records Act and in essence 1126 00:54:42,340 --> 00:54:39,859 anything that Donald Trump's 1127 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:42,350 administration creates within the White 1128 00:54:48,730 --> 00:54:46,130 House you cannot file a Freedom of 1129 00:54:50,770 --> 00:54:48,740 Information Act request for until he is 1130 00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,780 out of office and then the National 1131 00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:52,640 Archives takes over and all of those 1132 00:54:58,510 --> 00:54:55,730 presidential records are then FOIA able 1133 00:55:00,280 --> 00:54:58,520 if we can make up that word you can then 1134 00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:00,290 file a FOIA request for all those 1135 00:55:03,790 --> 00:55:02,000 presidential records they get 1136 00:55:05,530 --> 00:55:03,800 transferred to the National Archives and 1137 00:55:08,290 --> 00:55:05,540 then they go into the Trump library and 1138 00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,300 so every time that a president opens up 1139 00:55:12,310 --> 00:55:10,400 their library it's it's a you know field 1140 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:12,320 day for people like me because then you 1141 00:55:16,420 --> 00:55:14,450 can start requesting all of those of 1142 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:16,430 those records but outside of the White 1143 00:55:22,750 --> 00:55:18,650 House pretty much every federal agency 1144 00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:22,760 any military branch they all are subject 1145 00:55:32,109 --> 00:55:27,440 to the FOIA and then what the exceptions 1146 00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:32,119 are are a list of nine exemptions and as 1147 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:33,710 long as the information that you're 1148 00:55:38,859 --> 00:55:36,770 requesting does not in some way fit into 1149 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:38,869 those nine exemptions which is those 1150 00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:41,450 blacked out marks that you see as long 1151 00:55:45,580 --> 00:55:43,310 as it doesn't fit into that list of nine 1152 00:55:48,340 --> 00:55:45,590 exemptions then they by law have to 1153 00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:48,350 release it now sounds a lot cooler than 1154 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:52,310 then it really is sadly there are about 1155 00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:54,410 two or three exemptions that are used 1156 00:55:59,050 --> 00:55:56,510 more than anything else and that is 1157 00:56:01,090 --> 00:55:59,060 primarily what the government uses as an 1158 00:56:03,550 --> 00:56:01,100 excuse to black out information and then 1159 00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:03,560 the the sharpies come out and then they 1160 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:05,359 just start scratching out information 1161 00:56:09,250 --> 00:56:08,450 based on national security or based on 1162 00:56:12,790 --> 00:56:09,260 in 1163 00:56:14,890 --> 00:56:12,800 rules and practices of the agency or an 1164 00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,900 open law enforcement investigation those 1165 00:56:19,150 --> 00:56:16,880 are the ones that you see the most they 1166 00:56:22,660 --> 00:56:19,160 black it all out photocopy that and 1167 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:22,670 that's what you get so the basis of the 1168 00:56:27,310 --> 00:56:25,130 Freedom of Information Act the basic 1169 00:56:29,980 --> 00:56:27,320 fundamentals of it are fairly simplistic 1170 00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:29,990 but then when you really start diving in 1171 00:56:34,270 --> 00:56:31,760 for information that's when it starts to 1172 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:34,280 get complicated and really you've got to 1173 00:56:39,820 --> 00:56:37,970 kind of learn the different niches to go 1174 00:56:41,770 --> 00:56:39,830 to within the government to really find 1175 00:56:46,660 --> 00:56:41,780 what you're looking for how many people 1176 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:46,670 visit the black vault each day about ten 1177 00:56:52,180 --> 00:56:49,610 thousand people every day unique 1178 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:52,190 visitors that sit down and type in the 1179 00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:54,050 black vault or search for it and come 1180 00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:55,670 through but about ten thousand people a 1181 00:57:00,580 --> 00:56:57,650 day that's it's getting pretty big yeah 1182 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:00,590 that's incredible that's incredible I'm 1183 00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:02,450 gonna take a break right here now when 1184 00:57:10,510 --> 00:57:06,530 we come back as we get into this to the 1185 00:57:12,970 --> 00:57:10,520 stars and your reporting and how it is 1186 00:57:15,310 --> 00:57:12,980 laid out is is really well done over at 1187 00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:15,320 the black vault comm and everybody can 1188 00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:18,530 go and read through as John and I talked 1189 00:57:24,690 --> 00:57:21,710 tonight but when we come back I want to 1190 00:57:27,250 --> 00:57:24,700 talk about your methodology on how you 1191 00:57:28,930 --> 00:57:27,260 were doing all of this and of course 1192 00:57:30,910 --> 00:57:28,940 we'll talk about what happened up with 1193 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:30,920 the Pentagon last week too as well all 1194 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:31,370 right 1195 00:57:36,790 --> 00:57:34,250 how are you ready for that don't get to 1196 00:57:39,010 --> 00:57:36,800 me let's do it our guest tonight is John 1197 00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:39,020 Greenwald the black vault the black 1198 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:41,030 vault links are over at Jimmy Church 1199 00:57:45,310 --> 00:57:43,130 radio comm you can go and click and 1200 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:45,320 right there in the front page is the to 1201 00:57:48,820 --> 00:57:47,450 the stars report we'll be doing all of 1202 00:57:51,310 --> 00:57:48,830 that right after this short break 1203 00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:51,320 I'm your host Jimmy Church on the game 1204 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01:02:06,650 --> 01:02:03,270 Twitter at GH urge radio yeah Twitter's 1275 01:02:08,570 --> 01:02:06,660 lighting up you know what is because 1276 01:02:11,030 --> 01:02:08,580 John Greenwald is here from the black 1277 01:02:14,090 --> 01:02:11,040 vault you can follow John on Twitter at 1278 01:02:17,570 --> 01:02:14,100 black vault calm I'm surprised you 1279 01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:17,580 didn't put calm the the word dot you 1280 01:02:22,730 --> 01:02:19,650 should have done dot I think it was too 1281 01:02:26,180 --> 01:02:22,740 long when I created it years ago and I 1282 01:02:28,100 --> 01:02:26,190 don't think it fit at the time alright I 1283 01:02:31,130 --> 01:02:28,110 think there were too many characters to 1284 01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:31,140 try and fit it all in so but yes you're 1285 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:32,910 right it should be but sadly Twitter 1286 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:34,650 didn't let me I don't believe at the 1287 01:02:38,780 --> 01:02:36,810 time I love Twitter and I love this 1288 01:02:40,820 --> 01:02:38,790 audience I just got a tweet in from 1289 01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:40,830 Scott and he says he can't confirm 1290 01:02:48,380 --> 01:02:43,920 Rocketdyne is an empty lot in Woodland 1291 01:02:50,930 --> 01:02:48,390 Hills that's yeah dad yeah it is it is 1292 01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:50,940 sad when they tore down skunk works at 1293 01:02:55,610 --> 01:02:53,280 Burbank Airport that really bummed me 1294 01:02:57,110 --> 01:02:55,620 out because that building was right 1295 01:02:59,950 --> 01:02:57,120 there nobody knew man right there 1296 01:03:04,370 --> 01:02:59,960 Hollywood Way and they were developing 1297 01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:04,380 the sr-71 think about that in Burbank 1298 01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:07,110 all that exposed hide it hide it in 1299 01:03:11,420 --> 01:03:09,510 plain sight there was a think that there 1300 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:11,430 are a lot of instances of that no they 1301 01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:15,330 did man and and all that that crazy fuel 1302 01:03:19,310 --> 01:03:17,610 that they had for the sr-71 the city of 1303 01:03:22,370 --> 01:03:19,320 Burbank didn't know that they had like 1304 01:03:24,050 --> 01:03:22,380 you know a potential nuclear incident 1305 01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:24,060 you know if anything would have happened 1306 01:03:28,940 --> 01:03:26,570 those fuel tanks that were there but 1307 01:03:33,820 --> 01:03:28,950 again right in your backyard hide it in 1308 01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:33,830 plain sight now let's get into t TSA and 1309 01:03:40,730 --> 01:03:38,400 what and your report on it for everybody 1310 01:03:42,530 --> 01:03:40,740 just go to the black vault it's it's 1311 01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:42,540 right there I've got it up in front of 1312 01:03:49,490 --> 01:03:47,370 me and and not to cut you off just I set 1313 01:03:53,630 --> 01:03:49,500 up a short URL for it's the black vault 1314 01:03:55,820 --> 01:03:53,640 comm /t TSA just for your show because I 1315 01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:55,830 knew we'd be talking about it a lot so 1316 01:04:02,480 --> 01:03:58,050 so that'll shoot you directly to that 1317 01:04:04,250 --> 01:04:02,490 page so the black vault comm /t TSA and 1318 01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:04,260 that'll get you right into the page so 1319 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:05,310 sorry I didn't mean to cut you off there 1320 01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:06,930 but I figured I'd help you out 1321 01:04:10,339 --> 01:04:08,130 playing people the right direction 1322 01:04:12,589 --> 01:04:10,349 that's fine Rita get that a link up 1323 01:04:16,460 --> 01:04:12,599 there and I'll retweet that right now 1324 01:04:21,770 --> 01:04:16,470 and get that out there to everybody for 1325 01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:21,780 you what what kicked this off for you to 1326 01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:26,970 to jump into this and there there was 1327 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:28,710 probably a catalyst at the very 1328 01:04:35,660 --> 01:04:33,210 beginning what was that well I was 1329 01:04:38,660 --> 01:04:35,670 interested with what Tom DeLonge was 1330 01:04:41,299 --> 01:04:38,670 doing for you know a couple years now I 1331 01:04:43,339 --> 01:04:41,309 mean you have a rock star who in the 1332 01:04:46,430 --> 01:04:43,349 true sense of the word coming into the 1333 01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:46,440 UFO field and kind of making waves and 1334 01:04:50,420 --> 01:04:48,569 talking big about doing something doing 1335 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:50,430 something doing something but you know I 1336 01:04:53,420 --> 01:04:51,930 don't know what the exact timeframe was 1337 01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:53,430 but it was quite a while that he was 1338 01:04:57,020 --> 01:04:54,960 saying I'm gonna do something and then 1339 01:04:59,960 --> 01:04:57,030 nothing ever happened and then come 1340 01:05:02,569 --> 01:04:59,970 October of last year he has this press 1341 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:02,579 conference and I watched it you know 1342 01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:04,410 very interested because I wanted to see 1343 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:07,530 what he was doing and in in 1344 01:05:11,180 --> 01:05:09,210 presentations like this because it's 1345 01:05:12,620 --> 01:05:11,190 happened a few times over the years in 1346 01:05:15,049 --> 01:05:12,630 the field of ufology where there's a 1347 01:05:16,609 --> 01:05:15,059 press conference you know Steven Greer 1348 01:05:19,010 --> 01:05:16,619 and the disclosure project is another 1349 01:05:22,490 --> 01:05:19,020 example where government people stand 1350 01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:22,500 before and the press podium and start 1351 01:05:27,620 --> 01:05:25,049 talking about official stories official 1352 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:27,630 documents official project and so that's 1353 01:05:32,539 --> 01:05:30,210 what interests me the most so when mr. 1354 01:05:35,359 --> 01:05:32,549 Lewis Elizondo got up and talked about 1355 01:05:38,690 --> 01:05:35,369 this secret UFO study within the 1356 01:05:40,970 --> 01:05:38,700 Pentagon my ears went up because that to 1357 01:05:43,549 --> 01:05:40,980 me is something you can confirm and I 1358 01:05:45,470 --> 01:05:43,559 was fascinated by the story because as 1359 01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:45,480 you know I've been on your show before 1360 01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:47,400 and have talked on quite a few shows for 1361 01:05:51,770 --> 01:05:49,920 quite a few years now I disagree with 1362 01:05:54,380 --> 01:05:51,780 that narrative that the government gives 1363 01:05:56,539 --> 01:05:54,390 that they did their UFO investigation 1364 01:06:00,200 --> 01:05:56,549 during Blue Book and after the close 1365 01:06:02,690 --> 01:06:00,210 event in 1969 that was it now obviously 1366 01:06:05,089 --> 01:06:02,700 we know that that isn't true now because 1367 01:06:07,700 --> 01:06:05,099 of a tip and they were looking into UFO 1368 01:06:13,789 --> 01:06:07,710 stories but before a tip was ever even 1369 01:06:15,650 --> 01:06:13,799 created back you know 2009 ish before 1370 01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:15,660 that ever happened I was able to find 1371 01:06:19,579 --> 01:06:17,400 documents that proved beyond any shadow 1372 01:06:20,990 --> 01:06:19,589 of a doubt that the government was 1373 01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:21,000 interested in UFO 1374 01:06:26,180 --> 01:06:23,130 again talked about it on your show with 1375 01:06:28,220 --> 01:06:26,190 air force instruction 10 - to 0-6 so 1376 01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:28,230 that's something that you know the the 1377 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:30,930 air force admitted in black and white 1378 01:06:36,140 --> 01:06:33,450 unidentified flying objects there was no 1379 01:06:39,470 --> 01:06:36,150 other key word or code word or phrase no 1380 01:06:42,349 --> 01:06:39,480 UAP or no new acronym it was literally 1381 01:06:44,540 --> 01:06:42,359 unidentified flying object and so when 1382 01:06:47,810 --> 01:06:44,550 this story broke and not only October 1383 01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:47,820 but then really broke in December the 1384 01:06:53,359 --> 01:06:49,680 the media was just completely 1385 01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:53,369 misrepresenting the the history behind 1386 01:06:59,150 --> 01:06:55,890 UFO research and saying you know going 1387 01:07:02,900 --> 01:06:59,160 back to that company line that Project 1388 01:07:05,330 --> 01:07:02,910 Blue Book was the end in 1969 and and 1389 01:07:08,660 --> 01:07:05,340 the government had no interest in UFOs 1390 01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:08,670 until the start of a tip and so when 1391 01:07:13,790 --> 01:07:11,280 when the media really started looking in 1392 01:07:16,550 --> 01:07:13,800 my opinion kind of silly reporting on 1393 01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:16,560 this I felt that I could do some good by 1394 01:07:22,910 --> 01:07:18,410 really going after the official 1395 01:07:25,310 --> 01:07:22,920 documents and in October going back to 1396 01:07:28,070 --> 01:07:25,320 that press conference mr. Elizondo had 1397 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:28,080 never said a tip or what the acronym 1398 01:07:34,670 --> 01:07:30,930 stood for at that time it was just kind 1399 01:07:36,589 --> 01:07:34,680 of this secret UFO study so in October I 1400 01:07:40,609 --> 01:07:36,599 had filed a Freedom of Information Act 1401 01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:40,619 request typing out what mr. Elizondo had 1402 01:07:45,230 --> 01:07:43,440 said about the program who it was with 1403 01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:45,240 which was the office of Secretary of 1404 01:07:50,690 --> 01:07:48,089 Defense I pretty much tried to get 1405 01:07:53,660 --> 01:07:50,700 whatever I could from his stand-up 1406 01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:53,670 testimony that he did in this press 1407 01:07:59,060 --> 01:07:55,200 conference and I filed a FOIA request 1408 01:08:02,240 --> 01:07:59,070 and I was at this point that was kind of 1409 01:08:04,190 --> 01:08:02,250 the only request that I could do until 1410 01:08:07,220 --> 01:08:04,200 December just simply because there 1411 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:07,230 wasn't a whole lot known about the 1412 01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:09,330 program at all it was just through OSD 1413 01:08:15,020 --> 01:08:12,330 there again office of the Secretary of 1414 01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:15,030 Defense and mr. Elizondo said that he 1415 01:08:20,959 --> 01:08:17,730 was the head of it it had researched 1416 01:08:23,329 --> 01:08:20,969 UFOs an unidentified phenomena an aerial 1417 01:08:25,010 --> 01:08:23,339 phenomena and that was kind of it we 1418 01:08:27,860 --> 01:08:25,020 didn't really have I know they talked 1419 01:08:30,019 --> 01:08:27,870 about the Nimitz and showed that video I 1420 01:08:32,539 --> 01:08:30,029 believe in October but but that was kind 1421 01:08:34,849 --> 01:08:32,549 of it there was no other context that we 1422 01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:34,859 could get so I filed a FOIA request Bay 1423 01:08:41,599 --> 01:08:38,130 on that and took about a month and a 1424 01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:41,609 half uh November 27th was the date of 1425 01:08:47,390 --> 01:08:44,250 their letter and they said that they had 1426 01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:47,400 absolutely no records on this UFO 1427 01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:50,100 program now let me now let me jump in 1428 01:08:56,090 --> 01:08:52,170 right there I'm looking at the letter 1429 01:08:59,060 --> 01:08:56,100 here between okay I have I want some 1430 01:09:00,440 --> 01:08:59,070 clarification for the audience so the 1431 01:09:03,860 --> 01:09:00,450 first part of the question is this 1432 01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:03,870 between November 27th and going back to 1433 01:09:12,050 --> 01:09:07,050 October did you reach out to TTS a 1434 01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:12,060 number one and two are do you have a 1435 01:09:20,270 --> 01:09:15,570 relationship with TTS a today are you 1436 01:09:23,329 --> 01:09:20,280 working for TTS a or is there something 1437 01:09:27,020 --> 01:09:23,339 that needs to be disclosed here upfront 1438 01:09:29,090 --> 01:09:27,030 about any ongoing relationship with TTS 1439 01:09:31,340 --> 01:09:29,100 a so first part of the question did you 1440 01:09:33,530 --> 01:09:31,350 reach out to TTS a between October and 1441 01:09:35,870 --> 01:09:33,540 November 27th do you have a relationship 1442 01:09:39,380 --> 01:09:35,880 today do you represent them are you on 1443 01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:39,390 the payroll well I'll start from the the 1444 01:09:43,820 --> 01:09:41,730 beginning part of that between October 1445 01:09:45,550 --> 01:09:43,830 and November no admittedly I did not 1446 01:09:48,170 --> 01:09:45,560 reach out to them but I didn't think 1447 01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:48,180 really that would help the story at all 1448 01:09:52,610 --> 01:09:49,920 because mr. Elizondo had kind of already 1449 01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:52,620 stated his side and then they published 1450 01:09:58,280 --> 01:09:55,980 the website now come November when I got 1451 01:10:01,760 --> 01:09:58,290 the no records response that's when me 1452 01:10:03,580 --> 01:10:01,770 and my internal radar the red flag 1453 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:03,590 started going up all over the place 1454 01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:06,810 simply because somebody at this point 1455 01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:10,530 was lying and I say that because mr. 1456 01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:13,290 Elizondo said I worked for OSD this is 1457 01:10:17,300 --> 01:10:15,210 the program that I headed this is what 1458 01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:17,310 it did I turned around filed a FOIA 1459 01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:17,850 request 1460 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:22,080 OSD for that very project asking for 1461 01:10:27,460 --> 01:10:24,330 documentation on it and they say nope we 1462 01:10:29,780 --> 01:10:27,470 got nothing oh well my one of is what 1463 01:10:32,540 --> 01:10:29,790 the office of the secretary of defense 1464 01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:32,550 there you go okay oh right so they so 1465 01:10:42,710 --> 01:10:38,010 the DoD is a very big agency so you know 1466 01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:42,720 encompassed in the DoD is OSD is dia or 1467 01:10:46,430 --> 01:10:44,610 the Defense Intelligence Agency is the 1468 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:46,440 Department of the army their Army Air 1469 01:10:49,530 --> 01:10:47,770 Force 1470 01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:49,540 they're all part of the department of 1471 01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:51,370 defense and so you can't just file a 1472 01:10:55,890 --> 01:10:54,130 FOIA request to one office and then they 1473 01:10:59,130 --> 01:10:55,900 search all of DoD that right that's 1474 01:11:02,040 --> 01:10:59,140 impossible but with mr. Elizondo saying 1475 01:11:04,740 --> 01:11:02,050 I worked for OSD I was able to hone in 1476 01:11:06,690 --> 01:11:04,750 on that particular office to file the 1477 01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:06,700 FOIA request to search those records 1478 01:11:13,170 --> 01:11:11,530 within that component of OSD now going 1479 01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:13,180 back to your line of questioning no I do 1480 01:11:20,220 --> 01:11:16,330 not work with TTS AO nor do I work for 1481 01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:20,230 them no do I speak for them what I would 1482 01:11:25,770 --> 01:11:22,960 say upfront is this I do not question 1483 01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:25,780 anybody's loyalty or honesty or 1484 01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:30,490 patriotism or history or anything like 1485 01:11:35,670 --> 01:11:33,130 that and I mean no disrespect to not 1486 01:11:39,420 --> 01:11:35,680 only mr. Elizondo or anybody at T TSA 1487 01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:39,430 but here's the issue somebody is not 1488 01:11:44,490 --> 01:11:42,130 telling the truth the documents do not 1489 01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:44,500 lie and what I mean by that as we kind 1490 01:11:48,690 --> 01:11:46,960 of continue to talk these no records 1491 01:11:50,220 --> 01:11:48,700 response has really started to kind of 1492 01:11:52,620 --> 01:11:50,230 come forward in ways that they shouldn't 1493 01:11:54,750 --> 01:11:52,630 have documents that should have existed 1494 01:11:56,010 --> 01:11:54,760 based on testimony weren't there and I 1495 01:11:58,380 --> 01:11:56,020 know we'll get into about in a lot more 1496 01:12:02,490 --> 01:11:58,390 detail but I do want to say up front I'm 1497 01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:02,500 a fan of what T TSA is trying to do or 1498 01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:03,970 at least that's what I thought that they 1499 01:12:08,850 --> 01:12:06,130 were trying to do is bring all this 1500 01:12:10,970 --> 01:12:08,860 information out bring Mr Elizondo into 1501 01:12:13,650 --> 01:12:10,980 the spotlight this is what he did and 1502 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:13,660 now all these red flags are going up for 1503 01:12:19,860 --> 01:12:16,690 me so since November I have reached out 1504 01:12:23,370 --> 01:12:19,870 with 2t TSA on quite a few occasions I 1505 01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:23,380 have spoken with their PR person I'm 1506 01:12:26,820 --> 01:12:24,880 comfortable saying this now although 1507 01:12:29,220 --> 01:12:26,830 I've sat on this now for almost three 1508 01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:29,230 months and the reason I sat on it is 1509 01:12:34,290 --> 01:12:30,370 because I wanted to give them an 1510 01:12:36,570 --> 01:12:34,300 opportunity to fulfill what I asked and 1511 01:12:39,650 --> 01:12:36,580 what I asked was to sit down with mr. 1512 01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:39,660 Elizondo in whatever way he would do I 1513 01:12:45,140 --> 01:12:42,900 offered a recorded telephone 1514 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:45,150 conversation a recorded video 1515 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:47,650 conversation via Skype or I use zoom 1516 01:12:53,610 --> 01:12:50,890 which is a even better but recorded 1517 01:12:56,130 --> 01:12:53,620 online that I would do it in writing 1518 01:12:58,260 --> 01:12:56,140 meaning whenever he had time if he was 1519 01:12:59,610 --> 01:12:58,270 too busy whatever he would do if he 1520 01:13:00,670 --> 01:12:59,620 would sit down with me in person I'd 1521 01:13:02,410 --> 01:13:00,680 figure out how to fly 1522 01:13:05,020 --> 01:13:02,420 there you know like I'd said whatever 1523 01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:05,030 he's open with and I will say that their 1524 01:13:11,610 --> 01:13:07,490 PR person was very very nice 1525 01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:11,620 they were you know very open to the idea 1526 01:13:16,570 --> 01:13:14,090 but here we are three months later and 1527 01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:16,580 all I've heard is you know well I'm 1528 01:13:22,450 --> 01:13:19,850 trying look you know maybe it'll come to 1529 01:13:24,130 --> 01:13:22,460 fruition in essence it's been three 1530 01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:24,140 months it's not going to happen I know 1531 01:13:30,250 --> 01:13:26,690 that I'm not a Tucker Carlson at Fox 1532 01:13:34,150 --> 01:13:30,260 News but sadly those big names that are 1533 01:13:36,250 --> 01:13:34,160 doing the the interviews with him and or 1534 01:13:39,070 --> 01:13:36,260 doing these stories like Tucker Carlson 1535 01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:39,080 at Fox News they're not asking these 1536 01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:40,730 types of questions and I'm not trying to 1537 01:13:45,070 --> 01:13:43,520 pin anybody into a corner but if he has 1538 01:13:47,860 --> 01:13:45,080 the information to prove that the 1539 01:13:49,570 --> 01:13:47,870 government is lying I believe that that 1540 01:13:52,090 --> 01:13:49,580 fits into the narrative of what they're 1541 01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:52,100 trying to do and that is that the 1542 01:13:56,290 --> 01:13:54,560 government is hiding stuff and on top of 1543 01:13:59,140 --> 01:13:56,300 that they're not taking this seriously 1544 01:14:01,540 --> 01:13:59,150 and that has been my biggest red flag 1545 01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:01,550 more than anything else is because these 1546 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:04,850 types of issues these questions because 1547 01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:05,810 they're just questions or not 1548 01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:08,330 accusations but these questions remain 1549 01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:11,120 unanswered and I told the PR person that 1550 01:14:14,590 --> 01:14:13,310 at TSA and that's why I want to bring it 1551 01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:14,600 up kind of in the forefront of our 1552 01:14:18,670 --> 01:14:17,360 conversation here is that I'm not out 1553 01:14:21,090 --> 01:14:18,680 there preaching to the heavens that 1554 01:14:23,650 --> 01:14:21,100 anybody's lying or not telling the truth 1555 01:14:26,710 --> 01:14:23,660 with and especially I'm not saying that 1556 01:14:31,090 --> 01:14:26,720 without talking to them I have tried and 1557 01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:31,100 tried for months now to to get him on 1558 01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:33,110 the phone because I would love to sit 1559 01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:35,330 down with them he seems like a great guy 1560 01:14:42,730 --> 01:14:38,210 he seems genuine I have no reason to 1561 01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:42,740 doubt his his integrity and that's not 1562 01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:43,610 what I'm doing 1563 01:14:48,820 --> 01:14:46,850 but as our as our conversation here will 1564 01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:48,830 unfold Jimmy you'll kind of see that 1565 01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:50,480 there's a lot of denials from the 1566 01:14:55,870 --> 01:14:53,360 government through multiple agencies and 1567 01:14:58,660 --> 01:14:55,880 in my mind based on mr. elizondo's 1568 01:15:03,610 --> 01:14:58,670 testimony documents should be there and 1569 01:15:06,940 --> 01:15:03,620 so if this is a cover-up in 21 22 years 1570 01:15:08,740 --> 01:15:06,950 I have never seen such a massive 1571 01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:08,750 concerted effort that stretched 1572 01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:12,970 throughout multiple agencies all to deny 1573 01:15:16,290 --> 01:15:14,050 project 1574 01:15:17,850 --> 01:15:16,300 like this I mean I've never seen it at 1575 01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:17,860 this level if that's really what this 1576 01:15:23,490 --> 01:15:20,290 comes down to and and I think that 1577 01:15:26,220 --> 01:15:23,500 that's saying something also he wanted 1578 01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:26,230 to address some of this stuff I mean the 1579 01:15:29,609 --> 01:15:28,000 page that I put up there that you 1580 01:15:34,290 --> 01:15:29,619 pointed everybody to the blackboard 1581 01:15:37,140 --> 01:15:34,300 column /tt essay even though my personal 1582 01:15:40,649 --> 01:15:37,150 tone is skepticism on the magnitude of a 1583 01:15:42,750 --> 01:15:40,659 tip if it comes out that OSD is lying 1584 01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:42,760 and all these agencies are lying all I 1585 01:15:47,850 --> 01:15:45,130 got to do is change one paragraph and 1586 01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:47,860 this will be one of the best resources 1587 01:15:52,859 --> 01:15:51,010 to prove that cover-up slash conspiracy 1588 01:15:54,839 --> 01:15:52,869 about a tip whether or not that's true 1589 01:15:56,399 --> 01:15:54,849 or not I personally leaned that that is 1590 01:15:59,370 --> 01:15:56,409 not the way that this is going to unfold 1591 01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:59,380 but if it does all of the evidence is 1592 01:16:03,450 --> 01:16:00,880 there and that's what I'm trying to do 1593 01:16:06,740 --> 01:16:03,460 is collect the actual evidence now with 1594 01:16:13,470 --> 01:16:06,750 this let's actually start with this 1595 01:16:15,060 --> 01:16:13,480 November 27th response and now the 1596 01:16:17,580 --> 01:16:15,070 highlight is it says after thorough 1597 01:16:20,669 --> 01:16:17,590 searches of all electronic records and 1598 01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:20,679 files of oh you SD I know records of the 1599 01:16:26,069 --> 01:16:23,730 kind you described could be identified 1600 01:16:29,850 --> 01:16:26,079 and then they go on you know with the 1601 01:16:33,330 --> 01:16:29,860 you know the boilerplate stuff but what 1602 01:16:37,020 --> 01:16:33,340 was it that you requested to get this 1603 01:16:38,580 --> 01:16:37,030 response yep so and and I'm glad you 1604 01:16:41,970 --> 01:16:38,590 brought this up because this is a lot of 1605 01:16:44,700 --> 01:16:41,980 criticism that I get and I want to kind 1606 01:16:46,979 --> 01:16:44,710 of dispel a myth what I requested was 1607 01:16:48,990 --> 01:16:46,989 for the following I respectfully request 1608 01:16:51,959 --> 01:16:49,000 a copy of records electronic or 1609 01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:51,969 otherwise of the following all documents 1610 01:16:57,689 --> 01:16:54,159 pertaining to the outline the mission 1611 01:17:00,839 --> 01:16:57,699 statements objectives etc of the DoD 1612 01:17:02,879 --> 01:17:00,849 aerospace threat program now I'm going 1613 01:17:04,919 --> 01:17:02,889 to interject on my quote here the reason 1614 01:17:07,859 --> 01:17:04,929 that's worded that way is the true 1615 01:17:11,790 --> 01:17:07,869 acronym of a tip was never announced 1616 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:11,800 until December right okay but this is my 1617 01:17:18,839 --> 01:17:15,610 next part of my request please note this 1618 01:17:21,330 --> 01:17:18,849 may not be the exact title but is 1619 01:17:25,109 --> 01:17:21,340 derived from the testimony of mr. Lewis 1620 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:25,119 Elizondo former DoD employee according 1621 01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:27,130 to The Huffington Post as posted here 1622 01:17:30,690 --> 01:17:27,730 and then I 1623 01:17:33,480 --> 01:17:30,700 the verbatim quotes from the media and 1624 01:17:35,970 --> 01:17:33,490 the quotes from mr. Elizondo that 1625 01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:35,980 pertained to describing what this 1626 01:17:41,690 --> 01:17:38,530 program is now why do i point that out 1627 01:17:43,860 --> 01:17:41,700 because if I just left it at DoD 1628 01:17:47,190 --> 01:17:43,870 aerospace threat program which is how 1629 01:17:50,940 --> 01:17:47,200 mr. Elizondo and T TSA talked about it 1630 01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:50,950 in October they have an out and if this 1631 01:17:53,850 --> 01:17:52,210 goes back to the beginning of your show 1632 01:17:55,380 --> 01:17:53,860 Jimmy when you asked me you know how do 1633 01:17:58,140 --> 01:17:55,390 you formulate questions if you're too 1634 01:18:00,600 --> 01:17:58,150 specific then it can come back and bite 1635 01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:00,610 you so if I didn't put that please note 1636 01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:03,010 this may not be the exact title that's 1637 01:18:08,010 --> 01:18:05,770 where I believe my safety net is to say 1638 01:18:09,660 --> 01:18:08,020 to the to the agency hey look this you 1639 01:18:12,150 --> 01:18:09,670 obviously know what this is about right 1640 01:18:14,190 --> 01:18:12,160 you know I mean this is mainstream news 1641 01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:14,200 at this point you know they got a lot of 1642 01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:16,330 press coverage even in October there was 1643 01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:19,120 quite a bit so the spotlight was 1644 01:18:24,930 --> 01:18:22,090 definitely on for them to know what was 1645 01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:24,940 going on in the media and what people 1646 01:18:30,540 --> 01:18:27,370 were asking and what I was asking for 1647 01:18:32,580 --> 01:18:30,550 and yet they said we have no records now 1648 01:18:35,550 --> 01:18:32,590 I have since appealed that and I 1649 01:18:37,530 --> 01:18:35,560 appealed it based on a couple different 1650 01:18:39,470 --> 01:18:37,540 factors obviously the name so if they 1651 01:18:43,050 --> 01:18:39,480 are trying to play semantics with me 1652 01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:43,060 okay they have the the name now I'm 1653 01:18:46,580 --> 01:18:44,530 still waiting on the answer to that 1654 01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:46,590 appeal but but that's being processed 1655 01:18:53,490 --> 01:18:50,320 but it just to me did not sit well as 1656 01:18:56,250 --> 01:18:53,500 the beginning FOIA request that I 1657 01:18:58,920 --> 01:18:56,260 received because again I was vague 1658 01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:58,930 enough and open enough with them to say 1659 01:19:03,540 --> 01:19:00,880 look this is the person we're talking 1660 01:19:06,140 --> 01:19:03,550 about if he headed the project it would 1661 01:19:09,900 --> 01:19:06,150 probably be fairly easy for them to find 1662 01:19:13,620 --> 01:19:09,910 where mr. Elizondo was working and where 1663 01:19:15,870 --> 01:19:13,630 that project was again me noting that I 1664 01:19:18,420 --> 01:19:15,880 didn't have the exact name or probably 1665 01:19:21,540 --> 01:19:18,430 wasn't the exact name and yet they still 1666 01:19:23,610 --> 01:19:21,550 were giving a no records response so 1667 01:19:25,980 --> 01:19:23,620 could they be lying on this absolutely 1668 01:19:29,550 --> 01:19:25,990 meaning the DoD or OSD could they be 1669 01:19:31,500 --> 01:19:29,560 lying absolutely I just it didn't fit 1670 01:19:34,260 --> 01:19:31,510 right from the get-go and that's what 1671 01:19:36,980 --> 01:19:34,270 started me kind of really sitting down 1672 01:19:43,470 --> 01:19:36,990 and digging in and going after records 1673 01:19:47,130 --> 01:19:43,480 now the revelation of the actual well 1674 01:19:50,340 --> 01:19:47,140 what was purported to be the name of a 1675 01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:50,350 tip and of course what is in question 1676 01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:52,330 here is the word Aerospace is it 1677 01:19:58,860 --> 01:19:54,880 aerospace is it aviation or something 1678 01:20:03,300 --> 01:19:58,870 else altogether by the way yeah so that 1679 01:20:09,170 --> 01:20:03,310 was the next step here when was the 1680 01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:09,180 first time you had heard either acronym 1681 01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:12,130 well then that's when just the story 1682 01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:14,320 broke in mid-december and this is when 1683 01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:18,250 the media just exploded with the New 1684 01:20:22,290 --> 01:20:20,650 York Times article really was the 1685 01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:22,300 spearhead to that and then the media 1686 01:20:28,650 --> 01:20:26,560 around the globe blew up profiling not 1687 01:20:32,330 --> 01:20:28,660 only T TSA but more so this what they 1688 01:20:34,890 --> 01:20:32,340 called the secret Pentagon UFO study and 1689 01:20:37,050 --> 01:20:34,900 from the get-go there that's when I 1690 01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:37,060 realized okay let's let's try and figure 1691 01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:41,170 out you know what what really is here 1692 01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:43,810 and in line number one I have nothing 1693 01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:46,480 nothing nothing against Leslie Kane I'm 1694 01:20:50,970 --> 01:20:49,210 a fan of hers absalom I know she she 1695 01:20:54,630 --> 01:20:50,980 wrote she wrote that article she's done 1696 01:20:57,630 --> 01:20:54,640 amazing work but inline number one they 1697 01:21:01,050 --> 01:20:57,640 called it the advanced aerospace threat 1698 01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:01,060 identification program now with FOIA as 1699 01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:03,850 anybody can can attest to that's used it 1700 01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:06,250 and and I've talked about it a lot you 1701 01:21:10,710 --> 01:21:08,800 wait and you need to learn patience if 1702 01:21:13,860 --> 01:21:10,720 you're going to learn the FOIA and use 1703 01:21:16,890 --> 01:21:13,870 it because on a quick side note I waited 1704 01:21:19,410 --> 01:21:16,900 over 14 and a half years for one 1705 01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:19,420 document to come now really think about 1706 01:21:23,970 --> 01:21:21,130 that fourteen and a half years that's 1707 01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:23,980 almost a decade and a half I literally 1708 01:21:28,380 --> 01:21:26,080 waited for one agency to give me one 1709 01:21:30,990 --> 01:21:28,390 document so that's a long time now not 1710 01:21:33,690 --> 01:21:31,000 every agency's like that but and that 1711 01:21:36,450 --> 01:21:33,700 doesn't happen too often but you do wait 1712 01:21:39,450 --> 01:21:36,460 months and months or years at a time for 1713 01:21:41,310 --> 01:21:39,460 a response so towards towards the end of 1714 01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:41,320 December I just picked up the telephone 1715 01:21:45,210 --> 01:21:43,360 and in going to your question about 1716 01:21:48,030 --> 01:21:45,220 creating relationships a lot of these 1717 01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:48,040 names I've seen for years signing my 1718 01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:49,330 letters I've talked to them on the 1719 01:21:53,459 --> 01:21:50,710 telephone there's a 1720 01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:53,469 neutral I hope anyway mutual respect 1721 01:21:59,310 --> 01:21:56,290 between both sides that you know I'm 1722 01:22:01,380 --> 01:21:59,320 doing and utilizing Malaya and they're 1723 01:22:03,540 --> 01:22:01,390 doing the hard work of being a FOIA 1724 01:22:05,490 --> 01:22:03,550 officer and I've always respected that 1725 01:22:07,740 --> 01:22:05,500 and so I just picked up the telephone 1726 01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:07,750 and I started talking to the FOIA 1727 01:22:13,770 --> 01:22:10,210 officers about these specific requests 1728 01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:13,780 I talked to OSD again very very nice 1729 01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:15,280 they were not trying to get me off the 1730 01:22:21,390 --> 01:22:17,920 phone and quite to the contrary they 1731 01:22:23,010 --> 01:22:21,400 were trying to help and and I will say 1732 01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:23,020 this because it'll probably would be a 1733 01:22:27,300 --> 01:22:24,730 matter of public record because I was 1734 01:22:29,130 --> 01:22:27,310 talking to a government agency but when 1735 01:22:31,220 --> 01:22:29,140 I was talking about well you know mr. 1736 01:22:33,420 --> 01:22:31,230 Lewis Elizondo said this and said that 1737 01:22:34,830 --> 01:22:33,430 they told me over the telephone that 1738 01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:34,840 they couldn't even figure out what 1739 01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:36,880 office he worked in you know this is the 1740 01:22:42,930 --> 01:22:39,610 FOIA office that told me that and now I 1741 01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:42,940 had at this point not known the exact 1742 01:22:48,780 --> 01:22:45,760 office that he worked in I have since 1743 01:22:51,420 --> 01:22:48,790 figured that part out within the office 1744 01:22:53,130 --> 01:22:51,430 of Secretary of Defense or OSD so I 1745 01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:53,140 didn't know where he worked and so I 1746 01:22:57,780 --> 01:22:54,610 couldn't tell them well he worked here 1747 01:23:00,570 --> 01:22:57,790 he worked there DoD is big enough as 1748 01:23:04,820 --> 01:23:00,580 I've already mentioned OSD actually has 1749 01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:04,830 13 components under OSD so that also is 1750 01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:08,530 incredibly large so you really have to 1751 01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:10,570 figure out what you're going for and 1752 01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:13,360 where it might be and so two TTA essays 1753 01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:16,239 credit there PR person did tell me 1754 01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:19,090 exactly where mr. Elizondo worked and I 1755 01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:21,610 used that in part of my appeal but my 1756 01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:23,410 whole point is is that I picked up the 1757 01:23:29,370 --> 01:23:26,170 telephone and called I also then called 1758 01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:29,380 not only the FOIA office at OSD but the 1759 01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:33,730 PR office the public relations office at 1760 01:23:39,180 --> 01:23:37,690 the DoD which handles OSD within the 1761 01:23:40,620 --> 01:23:39,190 Pentagon I know there's a lot of 1762 01:23:42,750 --> 01:23:40,630 acronyms here and I'm trying not to be 1763 01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:42,760 too confusing but in essence this was 1764 01:23:48,420 --> 01:23:45,760 the PR office that you pretty much the 1765 01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:48,430 press goes after to get answers on 1766 01:23:52,770 --> 01:23:50,560 whatever the topic of the day is and 1767 01:23:55,740 --> 01:23:52,780 talk to the lady on the telephone and I 1768 01:23:57,330 --> 01:23:55,750 asked her about the advanced aerospace 1769 01:23:59,520 --> 01:23:57,340 threat identification program she 1770 01:24:03,360 --> 01:23:59,530 immediately corrected me and she says no 1771 01:24:04,140 --> 01:24:03,370 no you mean advanced aviation threat ID 1772 01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:04,150 program and 1773 01:24:08,970 --> 01:24:07,449 said well okay I said I'm not gonna 1774 01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:08,980 fight you you know more than me but I 1775 01:24:13,709 --> 01:24:11,530 said the media is running aerospace and 1776 01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:13,719 she says no she says that's wrong it's 1777 01:24:18,990 --> 01:24:16,090 aviation and so I was told in December 1778 01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:19,000 that that acronym was wrong going back 1779 01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:21,250 to it at this point let me jump in let 1780 01:24:28,470 --> 01:24:23,770 me jump in clarification here who were 1781 01:24:30,959 --> 01:24:28,480 you speaking to this was a member of the 1782 01:24:33,149 --> 01:24:30,969 PR staff within OSD 1783 01:24:35,610 --> 01:24:33,159 okay so so you don't want to say her 1784 01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:35,620 name that's fine on this one no but out 1785 01:24:39,149 --> 01:24:37,840 but I'll tell you the name as I know 1786 01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:39,159 where you're going with it and it wasn't 1787 01:24:44,669 --> 01:24:41,650 her this but this was another person I 1788 01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:44,679 talked to with and within the the office 1789 01:24:47,490 --> 01:24:46,090 and just out of respect I mean I just 1790 01:24:50,669 --> 01:24:47,500 don't want to like put the spotlight on 1791 01:24:53,399 --> 01:24:50,679 somebody because it wasn't in writing 1792 01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:53,409 but I can tell you that but it did you 1793 01:24:57,870 --> 01:24:55,510 know happen over the telephone right 1794 01:25:00,780 --> 01:24:57,880 where they told me the the word was 1795 01:25:04,979 --> 01:25:00,790 aviation and that obviously has been the 1796 01:25:07,500 --> 01:25:04,989 root of a lot of controversy that the PR 1797 01:25:11,070 --> 01:25:07,510 office told me that over the telephone 1798 01:25:13,979 --> 01:25:11,080 so after the debate kind of commenced 1799 01:25:16,050 --> 01:25:13,989 throughout the whole UFO community and 1800 01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:16,060 even in interviews mr. Elizondo says 1801 01:25:23,340 --> 01:25:20,320 aerospace I went back to the PR office a 1802 01:25:26,220 --> 01:25:23,350 few weeks ago and and I will say I 1803 01:25:27,959 --> 01:25:26,230 talked to two major Audria Harris who is 1804 01:25:29,850 --> 01:25:27,969 the head of the department and the 1805 01:25:32,370 --> 01:25:29,860 reason why I'm comfortable saying her 1806 01:25:34,290 --> 01:25:32,380 name is not only she's the head she was 1807 01:25:37,169 --> 01:25:34,300 very sweet on the telephone but she also 1808 01:25:40,770 --> 01:25:37,179 put put it in writing for me that it was 1809 01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:40,780 not aerospace that it is aviation so it 1810 01:25:44,939 --> 01:25:42,730 sounds like we're playing semantics and 1811 01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:44,949 it probably comes off that way but it's 1812 01:25:49,140 --> 01:25:47,170 very very important especially in line 1813 01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:49,150 number one of the breaking story on this 1814 01:25:53,490 --> 01:25:52,000 to get it right it's also very important 1815 01:25:56,130 --> 01:25:53,500 for and again I'm not questioning 1816 01:25:58,050 --> 01:25:56,140 integrity here but it's important for 1817 01:26:00,450 --> 01:25:58,060 the head of the project to know the 1818 01:26:03,689 --> 01:26:00,460 project he's heading and in interviews 1819 01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:03,699 he says aerospace also so who is wrong 1820 01:26:07,770 --> 01:26:06,250 right somebody is wrong I'm not going to 1821 01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:07,780 be oh let I'll let the audience decide 1822 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:10,210 right but I will say this and this is 1823 01:26:12,270 --> 01:26:11,530 going to come off as rude and I don't 1824 01:26:13,979 --> 01:26:12,280 mean it to 1825 01:26:15,870 --> 01:26:13,989 but there's only out of the two sides 1826 01:26:18,090 --> 01:26:15,880 here one is wrong and what is right 1827 01:26:20,910 --> 01:26:18,100 there's only one side that's returning 1828 01:26:22,890 --> 01:26:20,920 coughs and and I think that and I think 1829 01:26:24,570 --> 01:26:22,900 that that's an important note that it's 1830 01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:24,580 the government that that's actually I 1831 01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:25,810 can't believe I'm saying this but 1832 01:26:30,050 --> 01:26:27,610 they're being the most transparent out 1833 01:26:33,690 --> 01:26:30,060 of anybody right now in this debate and 1834 01:26:36,150 --> 01:26:33,700 there what about the New York Times do 1835 01:26:38,460 --> 01:26:36,160 they bear some responsibility here 1836 01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:38,470 because they did go to print with 1837 01:26:45,330 --> 01:26:42,970 aerospace did they and you know Leslie 1838 01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:45,340 Kane where she got her information from 1839 01:26:51,380 --> 01:26:48,130 and I trust Leslie and and we all you 1840 01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:51,390 know work but there was a mistake made 1841 01:26:58,800 --> 01:26:55,840 or was it that the New York Times was 1842 01:27:00,180 --> 01:26:58,810 able to confirm aerospace before running 1843 01:27:02,430 --> 01:27:00,190 with the story they vet all of their 1844 01:27:06,450 --> 01:27:02,440 information so what where do we cope 1845 01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:06,460 with that part I will let me give a 1846 01:27:11,220 --> 01:27:09,040 quick example of my work in television 1847 01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:11,230 and I'm not going off on a tangent here 1848 01:27:15,570 --> 01:27:12,610 but I bring this up because I think it's 1849 01:27:17,010 --> 01:27:15,580 important I did a show on Hitler and the 1850 01:27:19,530 --> 01:27:17,020 occult for the National Geographic 1851 01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:19,540 Channel yes it sounds like a left field 1852 01:27:22,860 --> 01:27:21,730 comment but there's a point to this and 1853 01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:22,870 with the National Geographic Channel 1854 01:27:27,450 --> 01:27:25,360 when you produce and write a show you 1855 01:27:29,070 --> 01:27:27,460 National Geographic Channel in my 1856 01:27:31,410 --> 01:27:29,080 opinion more so than any other network 1857 01:27:33,930 --> 01:27:31,420 that I worked for wanted every single 1858 01:27:35,610 --> 01:27:33,940 word in line that we had sourced and we 1859 01:27:38,340 --> 01:27:35,620 had to find sources and in most cases 1860 01:27:41,250 --> 01:27:38,350 double sources I don't know how the New 1861 01:27:43,290 --> 01:27:41,260 York Times works but in my opinion it 1862 01:27:44,730 --> 01:27:43,300 all depends then on the scrutiny of New 1863 01:27:46,050 --> 01:27:44,740 York Times and I bring up the National 1864 01:27:49,650 --> 01:27:46,060 Geographic Channel because they would 1865 01:27:53,310 --> 01:27:49,660 not take somebody's word for it and I 1866 01:27:55,470 --> 01:27:53,320 think that into Leslie's defense to the 1867 01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:55,480 New York Times defense ID again I don't 1868 01:28:00,330 --> 01:27:57,730 know if this is how it played out or not 1869 01:28:02,460 --> 01:28:00,340 but my experience with network 1870 01:28:04,650 --> 01:28:02,470 fact-checking for television and I'm 1871 01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:04,660 sure the same is true for print you have 1872 01:28:08,910 --> 01:28:06,490 guidelines on what's acceptable and 1873 01:28:11,340 --> 01:28:08,920 what's not and in my opinion for print 1874 01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:11,350 journalism they probably just accepted a 1875 01:28:16,230 --> 01:28:14,560 word of of somebody who said I worked 1876 01:28:19,050 --> 01:28:16,240 for the program and this was the name of 1877 01:28:20,820 --> 01:28:19,060 it and in which in this case would be 1878 01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:20,830 mr. Elizondo so that could have been 1879 01:28:26,850 --> 01:28:23,130 their source that they verified 1880 01:28:29,010 --> 01:28:26,860 aerospace with mr. Elizondo because as 1881 01:28:30,740 --> 01:28:29,020 far as I know there is no official 1882 01:28:35,380 --> 01:28:30,750 document 1883 01:28:38,330 --> 01:28:35,390 yet that has been released on a tip I 1884 01:28:40,670 --> 01:28:38,340 from what I understand and major Harris 1885 01:28:43,130 --> 01:28:40,680 was very accommodating to my questions 1886 01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:43,140 when I asked her about the title and so 1887 01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:43,890 on 1888 01:28:48,980 --> 01:28:46,290 she put that in writing and sent that to 1889 01:28:51,170 --> 01:28:48,990 me which in essence puts that as a an 1890 01:28:53,450 --> 01:28:51,180 official document it really in essence 1891 01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:53,460 does because it's her government email 1892 01:28:59,440 --> 01:28:56,130 to to mine and it becomes a government 1893 01:29:02,030 --> 01:28:59,450 record and and so with that being said 1894 01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,040 there's really no reason to doubt now 1895 01:29:06,260 --> 01:29:04,560 that it's aviation and again 1896 01:29:08,780 --> 01:29:06,270 sounds like semantics but it's very 1897 01:29:11,060 --> 01:29:08,790 important that word has very different 1898 01:29:13,100 --> 01:29:11,070 meanings if you say aerospace or 1899 01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:13,110 aviation and it kind of changes the 1900 01:29:19,940 --> 01:29:16,410 scope of the project yeah one is one is 1901 01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:19,950 the Wright brothers and one is Apollo 1902 01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:23,520 okay so let's it's two totally different 1903 01:29:28,250 --> 01:29:25,530 things John listen I got to take a break 1904 01:29:29,870 --> 01:29:28,260 right here so let's do that we come back 1905 01:29:32,450 --> 01:29:29,880 and we'll just pick up right where we 1906 01:29:34,820 --> 01:29:32,460 left off there's a lot to discuss and I 1907 01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:34,830 had mentioned earlier John about all 1908 01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:36,690 documents you know 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aerospace aviation and louie's 1993 01:34:34,420 --> 01:34:31,610 Elizondo all on one page yes and but 1994 01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:34,430 I'll defend the fact that we have not 1995 01:34:39,729 --> 01:34:36,650 seen that yet and the reason why I'm 1996 01:34:43,810 --> 01:34:39,739 going to defend it is that according to 1997 01:34:47,229 --> 01:34:43,820 now OSD they are referring all FOIA 1998 01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:47,239 requests regarding a tip to the Defense 1999 01:34:55,180 --> 01:34:50,890 Intelligence Agency now I personally 2000 01:35:01,150 --> 01:34:55,190 argue the fact that all documents would 2001 01:35:02,890 --> 01:35:01,160 be at DIA and I and again I'm gonna try 2002 01:35:06,610 --> 01:35:02,900 them not make the acronyms confusing but 2003 01:35:10,450 --> 01:35:06,620 I would fight that DIA would have 100% 2004 01:35:13,270 --> 01:35:10,460 about a tip based solely on the 2005 01:35:16,979 --> 01:35:13,280 testimony that mr. Elizondo said he 2006 01:35:21,340 --> 01:35:16,989 worked at OSD so if you're in one office 2007 01:35:24,100 --> 01:35:21,350 your OSD you know desk there is 2008 01:35:26,590 --> 01:35:24,110 something that's going to be at OSD that 2009 01:35:30,100 --> 01:35:26,600 should be processed there under the FOIA 2010 01:35:32,830 --> 01:35:30,110 I hope that part makes sense because if 2011 01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:32,840 everything was at DIA then mr. Elizondo 2012 01:35:37,570 --> 01:35:35,210 would be working for DIA you know what I 2013 01:35:40,030 --> 01:35:37,580 mean like that that's the part that 2014 01:35:42,220 --> 01:35:40,040 doesn't make sense to me and and and I 2015 01:35:44,170 --> 01:35:42,230 am fighting you know respectfully 2016 01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:44,180 fighting with the office of the 2017 01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:46,370 Secretary of Defense under the FOIA with 2018 01:35:52,150 --> 01:35:48,890 my Appeals based on the fact that mr. 2019 01:35:55,690 --> 01:35:52,160 Elizondo said I worked in that office so 2020 01:35:59,770 --> 01:35:55,700 there's no way that a 100% 2021 01:36:01,240 --> 01:35:59,780 everything would be dia if it is then 2022 01:36:01,750 --> 01:36:01,250 we're definitely missing something of 2023 01:36:04,450 --> 01:36:01,760 the story 2024 01:36:07,570 --> 01:36:04,460 a big chunk because there's no reason 2025 01:36:10,990 --> 01:36:07,580 that the head of the stub the project if 2026 01:36:13,570 --> 01:36:11,000 it really was dia would be within OSD 2027 01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:13,580 and yet OSD is saying no we have nothing 2028 01:36:18,790 --> 01:36:16,490 it's all a dia something there just 2029 01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:18,800 doesn't make make sense at all 2030 01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:24,490 why doesn't I is there an issue with 2031 01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:28,330 Elizondo just producing some benign 2032 01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:31,010 documents that don't say anything you 2033 01:36:35,980 --> 01:36:33,440 know it's nothing classified in it but 2034 01:36:39,490 --> 01:36:35,990 it's a letterhead with his letter for 2035 01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:39,500 the for the annual barbecue of a tip 2036 01:36:45,150 --> 01:36:41,840 getting together at a park you know 2037 01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:45,160 something what what is preventing that 2038 01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:49,010 well that's a great question and I don't 2039 01:36:53,110 --> 01:36:51,170 know the answer and that's where my red 2040 01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:53,120 flags come up and my respectful 2041 01:36:58,630 --> 01:36:55,970 criticism against mr. Elizondo is the 2042 01:37:01,420 --> 01:36:58,640 strongest and and if you listen to an 2043 01:37:04,420 --> 01:37:01,430 interview by Senator Harry Reid he said 2044 01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:04,430 that there are quote unquote hundreds of 2045 01:37:08,500 --> 01:37:07,010 documents that the media could look at 2046 01:37:11,110 --> 01:37:08,510 because he doesn't believe the majority 2047 01:37:13,210 --> 01:37:11,120 of them are classified but the media has 2048 01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:13,220 never gone in and looked at them now 2049 01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:14,810 what the heck does he mean by that 2050 01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:18,560 because I can't find anything now again 2051 01:37:24,130 --> 01:37:21,650 dia if they are the home where my 2052 01:37:24,850 --> 01:37:24,140 defense comes in on why we haven't seen 2053 01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:24,860 anything yet 2054 01:37:32,710 --> 01:37:27,050 is the Defense Intelligence Agency is 2055 01:37:35,890 --> 01:37:32,720 about 2,000 to 2,300 FOIA cases behind 2056 01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:35,900 in their backlog so it's not that they 2057 01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:38,210 say that there's nothing there they 2058 01:37:43,630 --> 01:37:40,610 haven't gotten to our requests yet and I 2059 01:37:47,590 --> 01:37:43,640 am fighting a very strong battle to get 2060 01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:47,600 them to expedite my request to get that 2061 01:37:53,620 --> 01:37:50,090 information because at this point that's 2062 01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:53,630 where all of the a tip documents are now 2063 01:38:00,310 --> 01:37:57,650 back to your question why hasn't mr. 2064 01:38:02,440 --> 01:38:00,320 Elizondo come out with anything and I 2065 01:38:04,630 --> 01:38:02,450 don't know the answer to that and that 2066 01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:04,640 that leads into again my biggest 2067 01:38:08,630 --> 01:38:06,290 criticism because there should be 2068 01:38:11,940 --> 01:38:08,640 something they also 2069 01:38:14,910 --> 01:38:11,950 tsa references what they call a chain of 2070 01:38:17,670 --> 01:38:14,920 custody to the declassification of these 2071 01:38:21,420 --> 01:38:17,680 videos and that that's their proof that 2072 01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:21,430 they're real now I could be wrong and I 2073 01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:24,370 will say this 100% honesty I could be 2074 01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:27,610 wrong but I have never in a single case 2075 01:38:33,870 --> 01:38:30,880 ever in top-secret documents videos 2076 01:38:37,470 --> 01:38:33,880 photographs or anything under the FOIA 2077 01:38:39,780 --> 01:38:37,480 come across a chain of custody when it 2078 01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:39,790 comes to a document being declassified 2079 01:38:44,850 --> 01:38:41,920 whether it be a video or a photograph or 2080 01:38:45,390 --> 01:38:44,860 document in my opinion there is no such 2081 01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:45,400 thing 2082 01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:47,440 there are document transmittal slips 2083 01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:50,410 their routing slips if one agency passes 2084 01:38:54,780 --> 01:38:52,960 a top-secret record to another there's a 2085 01:38:56,580 --> 01:38:54,790 there's slips on top that have 2086 01:39:00,210 --> 01:38:56,590 signatures and where it passes off to 2087 01:39:01,950 --> 01:39:00,220 sure if that's what they mean okay but 2088 01:39:03,930 --> 01:39:01,960 when they are talking about a chain of 2089 01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:03,940 custody that proves that the document is 2090 01:39:09,030 --> 01:39:05,920 Declassified in this case the document 2091 01:39:11,340 --> 01:39:09,040 meaning the videos I just I don't know 2092 01:39:13,290 --> 01:39:11,350 what they mean by that and so I've put 2093 01:39:14,670 --> 01:39:13,300 the challenge out to anybody who has 2094 01:39:19,610 --> 01:39:14,680 fought me and there's been quite a few 2095 01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:19,620 online I just say point me to one 2096 01:39:26,220 --> 01:39:21,730 quote-unquote chain of custody document 2097 01:39:27,810 --> 01:39:26,230 on any classified anything like anything 2098 01:39:29,100 --> 01:39:27,820 that used to be classified that that is 2099 01:39:32,580 --> 01:39:29,110 Declassified and they have a chain of 2100 01:39:35,010 --> 01:39:32,590 custody document on top of it that shows 2101 01:39:35,550 --> 01:39:35,020 that it's Declassified I'll stand 2102 01:39:37,230 --> 01:39:35,560 corrected 2103 01:39:40,410 --> 01:39:37,240 I'll come back on your show and plead 2104 01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:40,420 that hey I really am wrong but I don't I 2105 01:39:44,820 --> 01:39:42,370 don't know of any and and nobody has 2106 01:39:46,770 --> 01:39:44,830 been able to produce that well crickets 2107 01:39:48,570 --> 01:39:46,780 usually commence after that and what 2108 01:39:52,620 --> 01:39:48,580 would be really cool which would help 2109 01:39:56,670 --> 01:39:52,630 you and other FOIA requesters if there 2110 01:39:58,860 --> 01:39:56,680 was a chain of custody form there would 2111 01:40:01,740 --> 01:39:58,870 be a form number and you would be able 2112 01:40:04,410 --> 01:40:01,750 to request that form number and tie that 2113 01:40:08,430 --> 01:40:04,420 to a specific situation that would make 2114 01:40:11,550 --> 01:40:08,440 life easy right and and actually to that 2115 01:40:13,530 --> 01:40:11,560 note in an interview after a couple 2116 01:40:15,570 --> 01:40:13,540 months I believe this is going back 2117 01:40:17,270 --> 01:40:15,580 maybe six to eight weeks now so the 2118 01:40:20,010 --> 01:40:17,280 story had been around for a little bit 2119 01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:20,020 mr. Elizondo was doing an interview he 2120 01:40:25,370 --> 01:40:21,090 he had said 2121 01:40:29,180 --> 01:40:25,380 he filed what's called a DD Form 1910 2122 01:40:32,260 --> 01:40:29,190 and what that is is in essence a request 2123 01:40:35,149 --> 01:40:32,270 for someone to get something 2124 01:40:37,010 --> 01:40:35,159 Declassified from the inside now as a 2125 01:40:39,290 --> 01:40:37,020 civilian non-military and I'm not 2126 01:40:42,410 --> 01:40:39,300 government I would file what's called a 2127 01:40:44,359 --> 01:40:42,420 mandatory declassification review you me 2128 01:40:48,589 --> 01:40:44,369 and everybody listening can file one of 2129 01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:48,599 those but a DD Form 1910 is according to 2130 01:40:53,450 --> 01:40:50,610 mr. Elizondo how he got these videos 2131 01:40:57,649 --> 01:40:53,460 Declassified so I have since filed for a 2132 01:41:00,859 --> 01:40:57,659 request for those forms that he filed to 2133 01:41:03,109 --> 01:41:00,869 this date I do not have a response on 2134 01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:03,119 that yet but there's a big question mark 2135 01:41:08,149 --> 01:41:06,480 on who released the videos now since 2136 01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:08,159 this is in writing I haven't published 2137 01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:10,170 this yet but I'll say it on your show 2138 01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:12,210 when I talk to major Harris at the 2139 01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:15,210 Pentagon just last week she confirmed 2140 01:41:18,229 --> 01:41:16,320 and I know she's done this with other 2141 01:41:20,180 --> 01:41:18,239 media outlets so this isn't anything new 2142 01:41:22,430 --> 01:41:20,190 but it was new for me to have it in 2143 01:41:25,339 --> 01:41:22,440 writing was that they did not the 2144 01:41:28,010 --> 01:41:25,349 Department of Defense did not release 2145 01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:28,020 those videos or declassify them meaning 2146 01:41:34,100 --> 01:41:30,810 wherever mr. Elizondo got them they were 2147 01:41:37,220 --> 01:41:34,110 not from an official channel now take 2148 01:41:39,140 --> 01:41:37,230 that for what it's worth no we need to 2149 01:41:41,419 --> 01:41:39,150 be very clear about this too as well 2150 01:41:44,990 --> 01:41:41,429 because this has been brought up a few 2151 01:41:46,850 --> 01:41:45,000 times and certainly there are some great 2152 01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:46,860 researchers out there in the UFO 2153 01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:49,730 community and and these videos 2154 01:41:59,899 --> 01:41:54,690 specifically the the tic-tac video that 2155 01:42:02,120 --> 01:41:59,909 had been out since 2007 on on YouTube 2156 01:42:04,430 --> 01:42:02,130 this wasn't any release from the 2157 01:42:07,490 --> 01:42:04,440 Pentagon dirty TSA it simply has been 2158 01:42:10,430 --> 01:42:07,500 out there all over the net so that kind 2159 01:42:12,410 --> 01:42:10,440 of kills one of three videos coming from 2160 01:42:16,609 --> 01:42:12,420 the Pentagon 2161 01:42:18,530 --> 01:42:16,619 this last one the go-fast video whether 2162 01:42:21,410 --> 01:42:18,540 that was released directly from the 2163 01:42:23,570 --> 01:42:21,420 Pentagon to T TSA that remains to be 2164 01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:23,580 seen that's certainly what T TSA has 2165 01:42:28,070 --> 01:42:26,130 said but I don't know what have you 2166 01:42:31,700 --> 01:42:28,080 found out about that how about the game 2167 01:42:34,580 --> 01:42:31,710 well this was a this was a conversation 2168 01:42:36,890 --> 01:42:34,590 on April 3rd so this was after go 2169 01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:36,900 fast was released and I'll read you 2170 01:42:42,470 --> 01:42:38,970 exactly what major Harris put in writing 2171 01:42:45,340 --> 01:42:42,480 for me okay short and sweet DoD has not 2172 01:42:48,230 --> 01:42:45,350 released videos related to this program 2173 01:42:50,930 --> 01:42:48,240 that's it that's now that wasn't a full 2174 01:42:53,480 --> 01:42:50,940 letter but I mean that was addressing my 2175 01:42:56,660 --> 01:42:53,490 question on how these videos came to be 2176 01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:56,670 now is major Harris lying or not telling 2177 01:43:02,390 --> 01:42:59,040 the truth anything's possible at this 2178 01:43:04,310 --> 01:43:02,400 point sure but you know what what sounds 2179 01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:04,320 more plausible and this is where Occam's 2180 01:43:10,060 --> 01:43:07,290 razor is going to come in in that you 2181 01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:10,070 know you have one side that's not 2182 01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:12,690 addressing any of these potential red 2183 01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:14,730 flags they're not returning phone calls 2184 01:43:19,220 --> 01:43:17,040 and they're trying to raise 50 million 2185 01:43:21,740 --> 01:43:19,230 dollars and then you have the other side 2186 01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:21,750 who is taking phone calls they're 2187 01:43:26,060 --> 01:43:23,370 calling me back they're calling the 2188 01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:26,070 media back there kind of stating the 2189 01:43:31,070 --> 01:43:28,410 facts as they know them and at this 2190 01:43:33,230 --> 01:43:31,080 point you know the DIA is the one that's 2191 01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:33,240 going to release documents they haven't 2192 01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:35,370 processed the FOIA requests yet I'm 2193 01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:37,170 little I know I mentioned this but I'll 2194 01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:38,610 say it again I'm in the middle of 2195 01:43:45,020 --> 01:43:41,970 fighting with dia to get them to 2196 01:43:47,330 --> 01:43:45,030 expedite my request I did a 27 page 2197 01:43:49,850 --> 01:43:47,340 appeal letter it was the longest appeal 2198 01:43:52,250 --> 01:43:49,860 letter I've ever written and I believe 2199 01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:52,260 not trying to pat myself on the back but 2200 01:43:58,610 --> 01:43:55,770 it put the case in exactly the letter of 2201 01:44:01,250 --> 01:43:58,620 the law and what is required to get a 2202 01:44:03,830 --> 01:44:01,260 FOIA request expedited and what in 2203 01:44:08,810 --> 01:44:03,840 essence that means is if you can justify 2204 01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:08,820 your request being processed in front of 2205 01:44:13,100 --> 01:44:10,320 all the other requests that they need to 2206 01:44:14,750 --> 01:44:13,110 process then they will expedite it but 2207 01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:14,760 there are certain criteria that you have 2208 01:44:20,210 --> 01:44:17,040 to meet first and foremost it has to be 2209 01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:20,220 breaking news well look at December and 2210 01:44:23,180 --> 01:44:21,810 look at the headlines and I guarantee 2211 01:44:25,370 --> 01:44:23,190 you there's no arguing that this was 2212 01:44:26,270 --> 01:44:25,380 breaking news it has to be of public 2213 01:44:28,490 --> 01:44:26,280 interest 2214 01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:28,500 yet again I was able to prove using 2215 01:44:33,980 --> 01:44:31,290 Google Trends that show the popularity 2216 01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:33,990 of UFOs but on top of that the how the 2217 01:44:39,050 --> 01:44:36,480 media around the globe glommed onto this 2218 01:44:43,550 --> 01:44:39,060 thing I was able to break down word by 2219 01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:43,560 word what they required in 27 pages and 2220 01:44:47,919 --> 01:44:46,410 I was denied and so I now have two 2221 01:44:49,679 --> 01:44:47,929 options I can take them to court 2222 01:44:54,009 --> 01:44:49,689 and who really has the money to do that 2223 01:44:57,759 --> 01:44:54,019 or I got the there's an agency called 2224 01:45:00,459 --> 01:44:57,769 ojas and oh just kind of is a like a 2225 01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:00,469 mediator between people like me being a 2226 01:45:06,370 --> 01:45:03,530 FOIA requester and agencies like OSD or 2227 01:45:08,140 --> 01:45:06,380 dia or whomever and they help mediate so 2228 01:45:10,779 --> 01:45:08,150 if maybe the agency is not being 2229 01:45:12,419 --> 01:45:10,789 truthful with me or they're not giving 2230 01:45:14,859 --> 01:45:12,429 me a fair shot because I truly believe 2231 01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:14,869 that I have filled all of their 2232 01:45:19,500 --> 01:45:18,050 requirements that they will come in and 2233 01:45:23,020 --> 01:45:19,510 kind of overlook it and be a third party 2234 01:45:25,959 --> 01:45:23,030 well and take a look at it so that with 2235 01:45:29,890 --> 01:45:25,969 that yeah and on April 3rd when she said 2236 01:45:32,649 --> 01:45:29,900 I mean it would seem to me that if they 2237 01:45:35,350 --> 01:45:32,659 release the videos to T TSA or you know 2238 01:45:36,910 --> 01:45:35,360 to release to the public that that's a 2239 01:45:38,620 --> 01:45:36,920 simple thing to say yeah we did it's 2240 01:45:41,259 --> 01:45:38,630 it's no big deal we have yeah we 2241 01:45:43,989 --> 01:45:41,269 released them you know wide lie about 2242 01:45:45,549 --> 01:45:43,999 that if they did it just to me it just 2243 01:45:48,129 --> 01:45:45,559 doesn't make any sense it's that's 2244 01:45:51,310 --> 01:45:48,139 nothing to lie about what's the big blow 2245 01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:51,320 the cats out of the bag exactly yeah 2246 01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:53,570 there's there's kind of no reason to lie 2247 01:46:00,040 --> 01:45:56,570 about it she has a lot more to lose by 2248 01:46:01,989 --> 01:46:00,050 lying about it and getting caught versus 2249 01:46:03,699 --> 01:46:01,999 just being honest and saying yeah we 2250 01:46:06,699 --> 01:46:03,709 released the videos okay so you've got 2251 01:46:08,469 --> 01:46:06,709 some white dots caught on infrared you 2252 01:46:10,810 --> 01:46:08,479 know I mean I'm belittling it of course 2253 01:46:12,759 --> 01:46:10,820 but my whole point is what is there to 2254 01:46:14,890 --> 01:46:12,769 lose if she admits it and she's got 2255 01:46:17,049 --> 01:46:14,900 everything to lose if she's lying right 2256 01:46:20,259 --> 01:46:17,059 you know and it doesn't it doesn't make 2257 01:46:22,149 --> 01:46:20,269 sense to me that she would lie so now 2258 01:46:25,929 --> 01:46:22,159 we're kind of back to questioning okay 2259 01:46:27,449 --> 01:46:25,939 are these videos legitimate or they 2260 01:46:29,770 --> 01:46:27,459 might be legitimate but but not 2261 01:46:31,929 --> 01:46:29,780 quote-unquote Declassified from the 2262 01:46:33,459 --> 01:46:31,939 government you know and and and I will 2263 01:46:35,379 --> 01:46:33,469 say this at this point in our 2264 01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:35,389 conversation I'm very passionate about 2265 01:46:40,540 --> 01:46:37,760 this because I've worked for over two 2266 01:46:42,759 --> 01:46:40,550 decades of my life proving a UFO 2267 01:46:45,069 --> 01:46:42,769 cover-up right I've never wanted to be 2268 01:46:47,529 --> 01:46:45,079 more wrong than I am right now by 2269 01:46:50,589 --> 01:46:47,539 doubting or at least the magnitude of 2270 01:46:53,140 --> 01:46:50,599 what a tip was I want to be wrong on 2271 01:46:56,290 --> 01:46:53,150 that but sadly the reason again why I'm 2272 01:46:58,509 --> 01:46:56,300 passionate is because as this unfolds 2273 01:47:01,330 --> 01:46:58,519 and things are getting overblown by the 2274 01:47:03,550 --> 01:47:01,340 media when documents do come out 2275 01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:03,560 the medium may not take it as seriously 2276 01:47:09,250 --> 01:47:06,050 because they started publishing wrong 2277 01:47:10,570 --> 01:47:09,260 information in December of 2017 so why 2278 01:47:13,450 --> 01:47:10,580 are they going to take it seriously in 2279 01:47:15,310 --> 01:47:13,460 2019 just to be made you know looking 2280 01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:15,320 dumb again I know I'm jumping the gun 2281 01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:18,170 there you're not that they're not my 2282 01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:21,290 concern on Friday night I had a Richard 2283 01:47:25,120 --> 01:47:23,600 Dolan on over at a coast to coast I 2284 01:47:26,770 --> 01:47:25,130 don't know if you heard our conversation 2285 01:47:29,740 --> 01:47:26,780 over there but he brought up a really 2286 01:47:32,890 --> 01:47:29,750 interesting point which is addressing 2287 01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:32,900 what you are saying right now the the 2288 01:47:37,780 --> 01:47:34,970 New York Times did that amazing piece 2289 01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:37,790 right on December 16th they haven't 2290 01:47:42,220 --> 01:47:40,730 touched it since then and what I'm 2291 01:47:44,530 --> 01:47:42,230 wondering is is it because of the 2292 01:47:46,150 --> 01:47:44,540 mistakes with aerospace and maybe some 2293 01:47:48,430 --> 01:47:46,160 of the vetting of some of the 2294 01:47:52,030 --> 01:47:48,440 information that was there have they 2295 01:47:54,250 --> 01:47:52,040 gone back or now like you say now 2296 01:47:56,590 --> 01:47:54,260 they're scared right they don't want to 2297 01:47:58,150 --> 01:47:56,600 go back in and visit this because of 2298 01:48:00,910 --> 01:47:58,160 some of these issues that have been 2299 01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:00,920 brought up again it's the murky waters 2300 01:48:05,530 --> 01:48:03,440 the rabbit-hole of ufology right and 2301 01:48:07,450 --> 01:48:05,540 they took their chances and ran with the 2302 01:48:09,820 --> 01:48:07,460 story and it was great man we got 2303 01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:09,830 disclosure out there right it started to 2304 01:48:14,620 --> 01:48:13,010 happen but now they have it's been it's 2305 01:48:18,690 --> 01:48:14,630 been four months and they haven't gone 2306 01:48:20,650 --> 01:48:18,700 back to do a follow-up a retraction or 2307 01:48:23,230 --> 01:48:20,660 anything they haven't touched the story 2308 01:48:25,900 --> 01:48:23,240 and Richard says why and I agree with 2309 01:48:28,300 --> 01:48:25,910 you yeah I don't disagree with that 2310 01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:28,310 either and and UFOs as we know is a very 2311 01:48:33,190 --> 01:48:31,040 popular topic we see it in television we 2312 01:48:35,250 --> 01:48:33,200 see it in print we see it online and so 2313 01:48:38,050 --> 01:48:35,260 for them to break that story in December 2314 01:48:40,870 --> 01:48:38,060 the the attention that it got on a 2315 01:48:43,660 --> 01:48:40,880 global scale was not only good for you 2316 01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:43,670 follow gee but in December of 2017 that 2317 01:48:47,050 --> 01:48:45,410 was good for the New York Times sure 2318 01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:47,060 because they were one of the first to 2319 01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:48,770 arguably be first I think what was a 2320 01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:50,690 political was the second they didn't get 2321 01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:53,840 as much credit the New York Times that's 2322 01:49:00,190 --> 01:48:56,810 good because all of those worldwide 2323 01:49:02,290 --> 01:49:00,200 global headlines that ran sourced in 2324 01:49:03,730 --> 01:49:02,300 essence the New York Times as kind of 2325 01:49:05,500 --> 01:49:03,740 the ones that broke the story that's 2326 01:49:08,590 --> 01:49:05,510 something that's really positive 2327 01:49:10,180 --> 01:49:08,600 especially in a dying industry of print 2328 01:49:12,430 --> 01:49:10,190 media you know and here you have this 2329 01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:12,440 very popular story so I know that I'm 2330 01:49:15,069 --> 01:49:14,090 just repeating it here but why is that 2331 01:49:19,209 --> 01:49:15,079 why 2332 01:49:21,310 --> 01:49:19,219 now are these news outlets not caring as 2333 01:49:23,350 --> 01:49:21,320 much when the third video got released 2334 01:49:25,959 --> 01:49:23,360 just what four weeks ago whatever was 2335 01:49:28,359 --> 01:49:25,969 five weeks ago when it got released was 2336 01:49:31,180 --> 01:49:28,369 there media attention yeah of course but 2337 01:49:33,310 --> 01:49:31,190 was it to the same extent absolutely not 2338 01:49:34,780 --> 01:49:33,320 and so I think at this point it's like 2339 01:49:37,359 --> 01:49:34,790 okay well we've seen these types of 2340 01:49:38,890 --> 01:49:37,369 videos now and things aren't really kind 2341 01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:38,900 of panning out as big as what we are 2342 01:49:43,149 --> 01:49:41,449 being led to believe because again if 2343 01:49:44,919 --> 01:49:43,159 mr. Elizondo said that there was all 2344 01:49:46,660 --> 01:49:44,929 this evidence that came in and this is 2345 01:49:48,069 --> 01:49:46,670 what convinced him that there needs to 2346 01:49:50,589 --> 01:49:48,079 be more money and a more serious 2347 01:49:53,379 --> 01:49:50,599 approach and this and that then where is 2348 01:49:56,490 --> 01:49:53,389 that information and and that I think is 2349 01:49:59,229 --> 01:49:56,500 again another part of my criticism that 2350 01:50:01,660 --> 01:49:59,239 infrared videos are great you know I'm 2351 01:50:03,700 --> 01:50:01,670 fascinated by it the last one got really 2352 01:50:05,470 --> 01:50:03,710 interesting and then the credits rolled 2353 01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:05,480 you know it was like right when they 2354 01:50:09,939 --> 01:50:07,730 latched on to that object you know 2355 01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:09,949 that's not the end of the video but then 2356 01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:12,650 you see TTS A's logo and then hey if you 2357 01:50:17,709 --> 01:50:14,690 want to donate you know donate here and 2358 01:50:21,129 --> 01:50:17,719 I have no problem with fundraising but 2359 01:50:23,680 --> 01:50:21,139 you have to to justify the the raising 2360 01:50:27,129 --> 01:50:23,690 of the funds you know and that's why 2361 01:50:31,030 --> 01:50:27,139 again I'm passionate about it because if 2362 01:50:33,970 --> 01:50:31,040 there's reason and motive to exaggerate 2363 01:50:35,589 --> 01:50:33,980 and embellish because maybe they didn't 2364 01:50:38,169 --> 01:50:35,599 think any of us would ask questions 2365 01:50:39,609 --> 01:50:38,179 that's all the more reason to ask those 2366 01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:39,619 questions that's right because there's 2367 01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:41,570 two and a half million dollars that's 2368 01:50:46,750 --> 01:50:43,610 been put into this organization by 2369 01:50:49,149 --> 01:50:46,760 people some maybe even listening to your 2370 01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:49,159 program I personally didn't donate but 2371 01:50:52,450 --> 01:50:51,170 you know there's people that are there 2372 01:50:57,100 --> 01:50:52,460 there are two and a half million dollars 2373 01:50:59,290 --> 01:50:57,110 they deserve to know why there isn't as 2374 01:51:01,540 --> 01:50:59,300 much as there should be why are these 2375 01:51:03,970 --> 01:51:01,550 government agencies saying nope we have 2376 01:51:06,189 --> 01:51:03,980 no records when really there should be 2377 01:51:08,140 --> 01:51:06,199 and if you're taking people's money you 2378 01:51:10,660 --> 01:51:08,150 should at least address that you know 2379 01:51:12,939 --> 01:51:10,670 and and you may come out and say if mr. 2380 01:51:14,890 --> 01:51:12,949 Elizondo tomorrow gave me a call I have 2381 01:51:17,740 --> 01:51:14,900 a toll-free number mr. Elizondo won't 2382 01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:17,750 cost you anything give me a call and and 2383 01:51:22,959 --> 01:51:20,210 and if he tells me John the government 2384 01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:22,969 is just simply lying to you I feel a lot 2385 01:51:26,109 --> 01:51:24,530 better I'd at least have some kind of an 2386 01:51:28,250 --> 01:51:26,119 answer and I would be talking to the 2387 01:51:29,870 --> 01:51:28,260 other side but sadly 2388 01:51:31,550 --> 01:51:29,880 nothing is getting addressed and I think 2389 01:51:33,770 --> 01:51:31,560 it's not fair it's not fair to the 2390 01:51:37,550 --> 01:51:33,780 investors and it's not fair to people 2391 01:51:40,730 --> 01:51:37,560 that are being led to believe something 2392 01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:40,740 that may or may not be true now and at 2393 01:51:43,580 --> 01:51:42,210 this point the documents are the only 2394 01:51:44,810 --> 01:51:43,590 thing that's telling us a story yeah 2395 01:51:47,690 --> 01:51:44,820 that's right that's right 2396 01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:47,700 and this resignation letter which has 2397 01:51:55,580 --> 01:51:51,090 been talked about very publicly to the 2398 01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:55,590 Secretary of Defense mattis from 2399 01:52:00,800 --> 01:51:58,400 Elizondo to mattis and he immediately 2400 01:52:04,730 --> 01:52:00,810 you know resigned and went to work for 2401 01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:04,740 TTS a few days later or I think that was 2402 01:52:09,020 --> 01:52:06,810 the timing I could be wrong on that but 2403 01:52:10,900 --> 01:52:09,030 that's not the point my point at the 2404 01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:10,910 beginning of the show was shouldn't 2405 01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:14,850 everything be out there when it comes to 2406 01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:17,130 federal agencies and something as simple 2407 01:52:21,790 --> 01:52:19,530 as a resignation letter I would think 2408 01:52:24,650 --> 01:52:21,800 that that would be easy to chase down 2409 01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:24,660 well yeah and I'll defend this no 2410 01:52:28,730 --> 01:52:26,850 records response because this has been a 2411 01:52:32,260 --> 01:52:28,740 hot topic debate actually for quite a 2412 01:52:34,610 --> 01:52:32,270 few years it actually ties back to 2413 01:52:37,660 --> 01:52:34,620 courts being involved on the resignation 2414 01:52:40,430 --> 01:52:37,670 letter of Donald Rumsfeld many moons ago 2415 01:52:42,500 --> 01:52:40,440 and so the question mark under the FOIA 2416 01:52:44,420 --> 01:52:42,510 and this is a fascinating debate but but 2417 01:52:48,220 --> 01:52:44,430 boring to death so I'll just quickly 2418 01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:48,230 summarizing summarize it and that is our 2419 01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:50,610 resignation letters subject to the FOIA 2420 01:52:55,430 --> 01:52:53,760 and the courts are leaning towards the 2421 01:53:00,230 --> 01:52:55,440 fact that if they would actually be 2422 01:53:03,190 --> 01:53:00,240 exempt so if that is true I would have 2423 01:53:05,930 --> 01:53:03,200 or should have got a different response 2424 01:53:08,660 --> 01:53:05,940 now for the record for those listening I 2425 01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:08,670 received a no records response when 2426 01:53:14,500 --> 01:53:12,000 asking the Department of Defense for mr. 2427 01:53:19,580 --> 01:53:14,510 Lewis elizondo's resignation letter and 2428 01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:19,590 if it was found but considered exempt it 2429 01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:21,330 should have been under what's called 2430 01:53:27,110 --> 01:53:23,850 exemption b6 and therefore in my 2431 01:53:29,750 --> 01:53:27,120 personal opinion it would be exempted in 2432 01:53:32,660 --> 01:53:29,760 its entirety under what's called b6 and 2433 01:53:35,510 --> 01:53:32,670 that is simply privacy information and 2434 01:53:38,540 --> 01:53:35,520 so this was another kind of gray area 2435 01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:38,550 I'll forgive the no records response on 2436 01:53:42,060 --> 01:53:40,650 this one simply because to the 2437 01:53:44,970 --> 01:53:42,070 government they may not 2438 01:53:47,010 --> 01:53:44,980 a official government record I 2439 01:53:51,149 --> 01:53:47,020 personally would fight that but that's a 2440 01:53:53,250 --> 01:53:51,159 different show the debate however is 2441 01:53:54,569 --> 01:53:53,260 that it would be exempt so I believe 2442 01:53:56,819 --> 01:53:54,579 that I should have gotten a different 2443 01:53:58,680 --> 01:53:56,829 response other than no records but be 2444 01:54:01,050 --> 01:53:58,690 that as it may that's that's what I got 2445 01:54:02,879 --> 01:54:01,060 what I also found interesting though in 2446 01:54:04,140 --> 01:54:02,889 that same FOIA request is that even 2447 01:54:06,629 --> 01:54:04,150 though they denied that a resignation 2448 01:54:09,149 --> 01:54:06,639 letter was there or they denied giving 2449 01:54:11,850 --> 01:54:09,159 me one I did in the same FOIA request 2450 01:54:15,620 --> 01:54:11,860 ask for any response given to mr. 2451 01:54:18,540 --> 01:54:15,630 Elizondo regarding his resignation 2452 01:54:20,189 --> 01:54:18,550 Secretary of Defense James Madison 2453 01:54:23,490 --> 01:54:20,199 interviews it's been said that 2454 01:54:25,260 --> 01:54:23,500 apparently Louise Elizondo and James 2455 01:54:26,339 --> 01:54:25,270 Madison we're friends so you would think 2456 01:54:29,580 --> 01:54:26,349 that there would be some kind of 2457 01:54:32,609 --> 01:54:29,590 response on an official level that that 2458 01:54:36,410 --> 01:54:32,619 also received a no records response in 2459 01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:36,420 that FOIA request I also requested any 2460 01:54:43,500 --> 01:54:40,570 communication from mr. Elizondo and any 2461 01:54:46,260 --> 01:54:43,510 DoD official about the declassification 2462 01:54:48,780 --> 01:54:46,270 or public release of the videos that 2463 01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:48,790 were obtained by the advanced aviation 2464 01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:51,010 threat identification program that as 2465 01:54:56,010 --> 01:54:53,770 well received a no records response now 2466 01:54:58,649 --> 01:54:56,020 that's a big one and the reason why I 2467 01:55:01,260 --> 01:54:58,659 bring that up is because he would have 2468 01:55:02,850 --> 01:55:01,270 to submit something a form of 2469 01:55:05,939 --> 01:55:02,860 communication now he's admitted it's a 2470 01:55:08,189 --> 01:55:05,949 DD Form 1910 right but there might be 2471 01:55:10,109 --> 01:55:08,199 communication he may say hey look these 2472 01:55:12,359 --> 01:55:10,119 are not classified can we get them 2473 01:55:13,950 --> 01:55:12,369 cleared for public release because a lot 2474 01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:13,960 of information within the government is 2475 01:55:18,689 --> 01:55:17,170 considered unclassified but they can't 2476 01:55:22,200 --> 01:55:18,699 just release it to the public they call 2477 01:55:25,169 --> 01:55:22,210 it for official use only fo you oh and 2478 01:55:27,390 --> 01:55:25,179 so you need to take all the for official 2479 01:55:30,149 --> 01:55:27,400 use only and still get it approved for 2480 01:55:32,459 --> 01:55:30,159 public release so I requested any 2481 01:55:34,830 --> 01:55:32,469 communication whatsoever in the form of 2482 01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:34,840 emails letters memos anything that 2483 01:55:40,770 --> 01:55:38,770 received a no records response so those 2484 01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:40,780 those facts that are coming up with no 2485 01:55:46,319 --> 01:55:43,690 records responses just don't make any 2486 01:55:49,830 --> 01:55:46,329 sense and just tacks on to the list of 2487 01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:49,840 red flags of what documents should be 2488 01:55:55,959 --> 01:55:54,010 there but aren't well if he says that he 2489 01:56:00,130 --> 01:55:55,969 submitted the release forms 2490 01:56:03,160 --> 01:56:00,140 right and and the videos were released 2491 01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:03,170 well then these are Declassified so the 2492 01:56:08,650 --> 01:56:06,290 request is completely harmless and 2493 01:56:10,750 --> 01:56:08,660 benign and there should it should just 2494 01:56:13,209 --> 01:56:10,760 be out there and and ready to go for a 2495 01:56:15,610 --> 01:56:13,219 FOIA that that's about that it would 2496 01:56:20,050 --> 01:56:15,620 come to you unredacted because it was 2497 01:56:21,790 --> 01:56:20,060 released yeah I mean yeah within reason 2498 01:56:24,340 --> 01:56:21,800 they would black out the names of the 2499 01:56:26,590 --> 01:56:24,350 the personnel inside that authorized it 2500 01:56:28,479 --> 01:56:26,600 that's common you know that's exemption 2501 01:56:30,370 --> 01:56:28,489 b6 but you're right the majority of that 2502 01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:30,380 would not be classified videos released 2503 01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:33,290 and if that is what mr. Elizondo has as 2504 01:56:38,830 --> 01:56:35,930 the quote-unquote chain of custody if 2505 01:56:41,830 --> 01:56:38,840 it's maybe just being you know worded 2506 01:56:43,870 --> 01:56:41,840 more colorfully to sound cool in the 2507 01:56:46,450 --> 01:56:43,880 chain of custody versus it's a DD Form 2508 01:56:49,180 --> 01:56:46,460 nineteen ten great come out and say that 2509 01:56:51,010 --> 01:56:49,190 and show us perform because in my 2510 01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:51,020 opinion that form would not be 2511 01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:54,650 classified at all if it was in any way 2512 01:56:58,870 --> 01:56:56,810 whatsoever mister Elizondo would not 2513 01:57:00,790 --> 01:56:58,880 have it regardless of him having a 2514 01:57:02,290 --> 01:57:00,800 security clearance and this is another 2515 01:57:04,420 --> 01:57:02,300 point that I think the audience should 2516 01:57:06,340 --> 01:57:04,430 definitely take into consideration 2517 01:57:09,130 --> 01:57:06,350 whatever they have whatever they're 2518 01:57:10,780 --> 01:57:09,140 holding within T TSA or mr. Elizondo and 2519 01:57:13,900 --> 01:57:10,790 his private safe in his bedroom or 2520 01:57:16,300 --> 01:57:13,910 whatever it is cannot be classified at 2521 01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:16,310 this time because they cannot have it 2522 01:57:20,200 --> 01:57:18,530 you you can't retire from the government 2523 01:57:22,240 --> 01:57:20,210 now I won't argue that he has a security 2524 01:57:24,790 --> 01:57:22,250 clearance I'm sure he does I won't argue 2525 01:57:26,470 --> 01:57:24,800 that it's current I'm sure it is I won't 2526 01:57:28,840 --> 01:57:26,480 argue that he has an oath and that's 2527 01:57:31,270 --> 01:57:28,850 still in effect I'm sure it is but he 2528 01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:31,280 cannot take classified information in 2529 01:57:36,040 --> 01:57:33,370 any way home with him as a souvenir 2530 01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:36,050 right we can all agree to that so 2531 01:57:40,930 --> 01:57:38,210 whatever he has as a chain of custody 2532 01:57:43,689 --> 01:57:40,940 document whatever it is it would be 2533 01:57:46,840 --> 01:57:43,699 releasable to the public and yet T TSA 2534 01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:46,850 is holding onto it why I have no idea if 2535 01:57:55,630 --> 01:57:50,290 they have it right I'll let you say that 2536 01:57:57,939 --> 01:57:55,640 I mean I yeah I don't want to doubt it I 2537 01:58:00,939 --> 01:57:57,949 don't think I'm on their side 2538 01:58:03,459 --> 01:58:00,949 I really truly am but we have to be 2539 01:58:06,209 --> 01:58:03,469 realistic here and and it's there's just 2540 01:58:08,219 --> 01:58:06,219 too many red flags to just let it go and 2541 01:58:10,290 --> 01:58:08,229 that ticker go to fifty million dollars 2542 01:58:11,430 --> 01:58:10,300 without getting answers absolutely let's 2543 01:58:13,739 --> 01:58:11,440 take a break right here 2544 01:58:15,479 --> 01:58:13,749 our guest tonight John Greenwald the 2545 01:58:18,270 --> 01:58:15,489 black vault we're talking about us to 2546 01:58:20,399 --> 01:58:18,280 the Stars Academy report 2547 01:58:22,140 --> 01:58:20,409 I'm your host Jimmy Church more with 2548 01:58:23,450 --> 01:58:22,150 John right after this short break stay 2549 01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:23,460 with us 2550 01:58:34,450 --> 01:58:29,090 [Music] 2551 01:58:41,060 --> 01:58:37,730 this is K GRA digital broadcasting 2552 01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:41,070 station Salt Lake City Utah Van Buren 2553 01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:45,450 Arkansas let's get this man to the ER 2554 01:58:50,510 --> 01:58:47,970 stat right away doctor we see this every 2555 01:58:52,940 --> 01:58:50,520 day heart attack or angina pain due to 2556 01:58:55,310 --> 01:58:52,950 blocked and clogged arteries chelation 2557 01:58:57,470 --> 01:58:55,320 can remove obstructions or blockages 2558 01:58:58,610 --> 01:58:57,480 from arteries and help avoid painful and 2559 01:59:00,830 --> 01:58:58,620 expensive surgery 2560 01:59:02,750 --> 01:59:00,840 now there's angio prim it's a liquid 2561 01:59:05,030 --> 01:59:02,760 oral chelation product that you take 2562 01:59:07,250 --> 01:59:05,040 with juice you start to feel the results 2563 01:59:09,200 --> 01:59:07,260 fast angio primm increases blood flow 2564 01:59:11,390 --> 01:59:09,210 all over the body and that means more 2565 01:59:14,090 --> 01:59:11,400 energy and strength to take on the day 2566 01:59:16,130 --> 01:59:14,100 with less aches and pains 60 years of 2567 01:59:17,270 --> 01:59:16,140 research has gone into chelation and 2568 01:59:19,580 --> 01:59:17,280 angiogram 2569 01:59:21,830 --> 01:59:19,590 is the result a safe and easy way to 2570 01:59:23,960 --> 01:59:21,840 unblock your veins and arteries from 2571 01:59:25,970 --> 01:59:23,970 buildup that slow circulation shaping 2572 01:59:27,980 --> 01:59:25,980 dr. 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on the 2614 02:01:30,830 --> 02:01:28,380 road with limited data or Wi-Fi 2615 02:01:32,750 --> 02:01:30,840 available you can still listen to every 2616 02:01:35,540 --> 02:01:32,760 minute of fade to black by just calling 2617 02:01:38,570 --> 02:01:35,550 six oh five five six two four four eight 2618 02:01:41,060 --> 02:01:38,580 two no smartphone app or Internet needed 2619 02:01:43,700 --> 02:01:41,070 it saves your data plan and no extra 2620 02:01:46,490 --> 02:01:43,710 cost if you have unlimited minutes just 2621 02:01:48,650 --> 02:01:46,500 call six oh five five six two four four 2622 02:01:51,380 --> 02:01:48,660 eight two you can listen to me Jimmy 2623 02:02:02,270 --> 02:01:51,390 Church on any phone anytime anywhere 2624 02:02:09,620 --> 02:02:07,020 you wanna know a secret I love ponies I 2625 02:02:12,240 --> 02:02:09,630 really love ponies I'm serious I 2626 02:02:16,140 --> 02:02:12,250 couldn't stay stable without poor mr. 2627 02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:16,150 Brooks why fade to black because you 2628 02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:23,230 this is fade to black 2629 02:02:29,050 --> 02:02:25,370 with Jimmy Church on the game changer 2630 02:02:38,140 --> 02:02:29,060 radio network and kgr a the global radio 2631 02:02:44,820 --> 02:02:42,740 [Music] 2632 02:02:46,770 --> 02:02:44,830 welcome back pay the black come you'll 2633 02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:46,780 see me Church follow me on Twitter ith 2634 02:02:53,910 --> 02:02:50,010 radio follow John Greenwald at 2635 02:02:56,940 --> 02:02:53,920 blackballed comm it's that simple on 2636 02:02:58,800 --> 02:02:56,950 Twitter talking about this to the stars 2637 02:03:00,960 --> 02:02:58,810 Academy in Louisville Sandow and the 2638 02:03:05,370 --> 02:03:00,970 stuff John once you put stuff out there 2639 02:03:08,700 --> 02:03:05,380 in the public of all from both the DoD 2640 02:03:11,220 --> 02:03:08,710 and and the Pentagon but certainly Lewis 2641 02:03:13,980 --> 02:03:11,230 and to the stars it's part of the record 2642 02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:13,990 here and you really especially with 2643 02:03:20,550 --> 02:03:17,050 ufology you can't make mistakes we all 2644 02:03:22,440 --> 02:03:20,560 believe in the TTS a mission and and I'm 2645 02:03:26,070 --> 02:03:22,450 fully you know what I'm really 2646 02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:26,080 appreciative of is the checkbook you 2647 02:03:30,660 --> 02:03:28,570 know a PR firm is expensive pushing the 2648 02:03:33,030 --> 02:03:30,670 stuff out into the media is expensive 2649 02:03:35,970 --> 02:03:33,040 getting these interviews and and the 2650 02:03:39,390 --> 02:03:35,980 awareness of ufology elevated in the UFO 2651 02:03:41,220 --> 02:03:39,400 question is is so commendable it's never 2652 02:03:44,190 --> 02:03:41,230 been done before like this and for that 2653 02:03:48,090 --> 02:03:44,200 I thank T TSA but then we have all of 2654 02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:48,100 this this series of mistakes once ok 2655 02:03:53,250 --> 02:03:50,890 twice or whatever but we're not trying 2656 02:03:55,020 --> 02:03:53,260 to criticize T TSA we're addressing 2657 02:03:58,080 --> 02:03:55,030 these issues and asking for 2658 02:04:00,960 --> 02:03:58,090 clarification and that is exactly what 2659 02:04:03,210 --> 02:04:00,970 you've been doing here what I've been 2660 02:04:05,460 --> 02:04:03,220 trying to do yeah yeah and I think that 2661 02:04:07,830 --> 02:04:05,470 it you know from from both sides and 2662 02:04:11,220 --> 02:04:07,840 I'll say it again I mean they need to 2663 02:04:13,290 --> 02:04:11,230 address some of these points just to 2664 02:04:15,750 --> 02:04:13,300 explain it and to be open with the 2665 02:04:17,310 --> 02:04:15,760 public and I believe it was on in 2666 02:04:18,420 --> 02:04:17,320 correct me if I'm wrong I believe it was 2667 02:04:21,720 --> 02:04:18,430 on your show that you've interviewed 2668 02:04:23,580 --> 02:04:21,730 Grant Cameron and he kind of spoke to 2669 02:04:24,870 --> 02:04:23,590 something to the effect from what I 2670 02:04:27,120 --> 02:04:24,880 understood because I did not hear the 2671 02:04:29,640 --> 02:04:27,130 the specific interview but saying that 2672 02:04:31,860 --> 02:04:29,650 TTS a in essence divorced the UFO 2673 02:04:33,660 --> 02:04:31,870 community and they were approaching in a 2674 02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:33,670 in a different way and that was correct 2675 02:04:38,490 --> 02:04:35,770 me is that that was on your show yes it 2676 02:04:41,010 --> 02:04:38,500 was yeah and and i think that that's 2677 02:04:44,700 --> 02:04:41,020 completely the wrong approach you know 2678 02:04:47,190 --> 02:04:44,710 III don't agree at all for that type of 2679 02:04:49,350 --> 02:04:47,200 approach I mean I agree and thank them 2680 02:04:50,940 --> 02:04:49,360 for forgetting publicity and kind of 2681 02:04:53,100 --> 02:04:50,950 bringing the story little light because 2682 02:04:53,970 --> 02:04:53,110 I didn't know about it you know I didn't 2683 02:04:57,180 --> 02:04:53,980 even 2684 02:04:59,820 --> 02:04:57,190 have a rumor about something like a tip 2685 02:05:02,910 --> 02:04:59,830 I mean I I found documents to show that 2686 02:05:06,540 --> 02:05:02,920 they were taking in UFO reports but but 2687 02:05:09,300 --> 02:05:06,550 not not to this extent again with what 2688 02:05:10,650 --> 02:05:09,310 they were trying to convey and so that I 2689 02:05:13,830 --> 02:05:10,660 give them a lot of credit but I think 2690 02:05:15,450 --> 02:05:13,840 that we need to really embrace and I'm 2691 02:05:17,160 --> 02:05:15,460 speaking for them or at least I wish 2692 02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:17,170 that they would think this way I think 2693 02:05:21,150 --> 02:05:18,850 that they need to embrace the UFO 2694 02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:21,160 community not divorce it because it's 2695 02:05:26,250 --> 02:05:24,010 the UFO community like you like me like 2696 02:05:29,010 --> 02:05:26,260 everybody listening that asks questions 2697 02:05:30,930 --> 02:05:29,020 and I don't know if they just expected 2698 02:05:32,820 --> 02:05:30,940 to swoop in and say give us 50 million 2699 02:05:34,830 --> 02:05:32,830 bucks and we're gonna you know take you 2700 02:05:37,740 --> 02:05:34,840 to the stars figuratively and literally 2701 02:05:40,740 --> 02:05:37,750 and and and we'll all make tons of money 2702 02:05:42,960 --> 02:05:40,750 along the way and no one would ask a 2703 02:05:45,150 --> 02:05:42,970 question I mean that the whole basis of 2704 02:05:48,600 --> 02:05:45,160 this was surrounding this quote-unquote 2705 02:05:51,300 --> 02:05:48,610 secret Pentagon UFO study that the media 2706 02:05:53,670 --> 02:05:51,310 touted and that's what really put t TSA 2707 02:05:56,220 --> 02:05:53,680 on the map I mean Tom DeLonge obviously 2708 02:05:58,500 --> 02:05:56,230 got a lot of publicity on his own and 2709 02:06:01,830 --> 02:05:58,510 he's a big name and he is literally a 2710 02:06:03,960 --> 02:06:01,840 rockstar but on top of that you know it 2711 02:06:06,570 --> 02:06:03,970 was mr. Elizondo story that really took 2712 02:06:08,610 --> 02:06:06,580 this to the next level and with that 2713 02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:08,620 being said I think they need to embrace 2714 02:06:13,350 --> 02:06:11,290 the UFO community and address some of 2715 02:06:15,810 --> 02:06:13,360 these things if it's as easy as them 2716 02:06:18,690 --> 02:06:15,820 saying hey they're lying to us all then 2717 02:06:22,110 --> 02:06:18,700 fine at least we have an answer but to 2718 02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:22,120 just not even do interviews and you know 2719 02:06:25,229 --> 02:06:23,890 just kind of ignore a lot of this I 2720 02:06:28,170 --> 02:06:25,239 think that's going to be doing more harm 2721 02:06:30,900 --> 02:06:28,180 than good at this point in one interview 2722 02:06:33,450 --> 02:06:30,910 given by mr. Elizondo he states the 2723 02:06:36,840 --> 02:06:33,460 following a tip receives the cases from 2724 02:06:39,060 --> 02:06:36,850 various different channels so where our 2725 02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:39,070 office had at the top of the office of 2726 02:06:44,340 --> 02:06:42,010 the Secretary of Defense we had multiple 2727 02:06:46,350 --> 02:06:44,350 avenues of approach so you had in some 2728 02:06:49,170 --> 02:06:46,360 cases reporting would come up through 2729 02:06:52,050 --> 02:06:49,180 Navy channels in other cases would come 2730 02:06:54,570 --> 02:06:52,060 up through Air Force channels now right 2731 02:06:57,270 --> 02:06:54,580 there that's on the public record now 2732 02:06:59,340 --> 02:06:57,280 you have a direction to go with with a 2733 02:07:02,370 --> 02:06:59,350 document request don't you what did you 2734 02:07:04,229 --> 02:07:02,380 do that's correct yeah so I filed it 2735 02:07:06,240 --> 02:07:04,239 based on that interview and I listened 2736 02:07:07,680 --> 02:07:06,250 listened to it I tried to listen to as 2737 02:07:09,270 --> 02:07:07,690 much as what he was act 2738 02:07:11,400 --> 02:07:09,280 really doing when it came to interviews 2739 02:07:12,930 --> 02:07:11,410 and this was somewhat new information 2740 02:07:15,479 --> 02:07:12,940 that he had talked about on it 2741 02:07:19,490 --> 02:07:15,489 specifically where the cases were coming 2742 02:07:22,890 --> 02:07:19,500 to excuse me coming from into the a tip 2743 02:07:27,390 --> 02:07:22,900 offices so to speak and and one of the 2744 02:07:29,700 --> 02:07:27,400 sentences he said said for this 2745 02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:29,710 capability all roads I guess led to Rome 2746 02:07:34,830 --> 02:07:32,410 in this particular case all roads led to 2747 02:07:36,240 --> 02:07:34,840 our office regarding the phenomena so 2748 02:07:38,700 --> 02:07:36,250 when he was stressing in this interview 2749 02:07:41,189 --> 02:07:38,710 was that Air Force Navy they would all 2750 02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:41,199 send reports to him right so what I did 2751 02:07:46,490 --> 02:07:43,930 was I filed a FOIA request based solely 2752 02:07:49,620 --> 02:07:46,500 on that statement looking for any 2753 02:07:51,420 --> 02:07:49,630 communication submissions videos reports 2754 02:07:53,880 --> 02:07:51,430 letters memos I mean I named them all in 2755 02:07:55,290 --> 02:07:53,890 the FOIA request and I requested to the 2756 02:07:56,820 --> 02:07:55,300 Department of Navy I also did the Air 2757 02:07:59,790 --> 02:07:56,830 Force I don't have a response yet from 2758 02:08:02,310 --> 02:07:59,800 them but the Navy being listed by mr. 2759 02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:02,320 Elizondo as a source figured something 2760 02:08:08,330 --> 02:08:04,570 would come up and so I requested any 2761 02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:08,340 type of communication submission form 2762 02:08:14,340 --> 02:08:11,290 anything like that from the Department 2763 02:08:17,790 --> 02:08:14,350 of the Navy into the a tip office at OSD 2764 02:08:21,540 --> 02:08:17,800 or the DIA which I did stipulate that it 2765 02:08:23,750 --> 02:08:21,550 could go to either agencies depending 2766 02:08:26,160 --> 02:08:23,760 upon what time frame they were 2767 02:08:29,070 --> 02:08:26,170 submitting it so not to get technical 2768 02:08:30,540 --> 02:08:29,080 but according to the to the story anyway 2769 02:08:33,420 --> 02:08:30,550 it started at Defense Intelligence 2770 02:08:34,020 --> 02:08:33,430 Agency and moved over to the Secretary 2771 02:08:36,479 --> 02:08:34,030 of Defense 2772 02:08:38,340 --> 02:08:36,489 meaning the a tip program so I was 2773 02:08:41,689 --> 02:08:38,350 covering all bases with that request but 2774 02:08:44,550 --> 02:08:41,699 I also asked for in the same request any 2775 02:08:48,060 --> 02:08:44,560 instruction manuals reporting procedures 2776 02:08:51,140 --> 02:08:48,070 methods memos directives anything that 2777 02:08:53,340 --> 02:08:51,150 would outline if you see a UFO or 2778 02:08:56,189 --> 02:08:53,350 unidentified aerial phenomena or 2779 02:08:58,080 --> 02:08:56,199 whatever acronym you want to use how 2780 02:08:59,430 --> 02:08:58,090 would you report that to a tip because 2781 02:09:00,840 --> 02:08:59,440 one thing with the military and the 2782 02:09:03,420 --> 02:09:00,850 government they have pretty much 2783 02:09:06,150 --> 02:09:03,430 everything spelled out whether it be in 2784 02:09:09,720 --> 02:09:06,160 an instruction manual or a directive or 2785 02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:09,730 a memo or something but but history 2786 02:09:14,010 --> 02:09:11,530 shows us that that's how they take in 2787 02:09:16,830 --> 02:09:14,020 reports and I and I have proof of that 2788 02:09:19,410 --> 02:09:16,840 even specifically on UFO records you 2789 02:09:20,990 --> 02:09:19,420 know where they have specific ways on 2790 02:09:23,870 --> 02:09:21,000 how to submit it 2791 02:09:26,540 --> 02:09:23,880 port of whatever kind and so I looked 2792 02:09:29,390 --> 02:09:26,550 for in this FOIA request any and all of 2793 02:09:31,070 --> 02:09:29,400 those types of instructions and the 2794 02:09:34,840 --> 02:09:31,080 Department of Navy finally got back to 2795 02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:34,850 me mid-march is when I filed the request 2796 02:09:40,180 --> 02:09:37,290 they got back to me within a few weeks 2797 02:09:42,980 --> 02:09:40,190 they told me what offices they searched 2798 02:09:45,380 --> 02:09:42,990 which would be the ones that would hold 2799 02:09:47,870 --> 02:09:45,390 records like this which included the 2800 02:09:49,610 --> 02:09:47,880 Naval Air Systems Command the commander 2801 02:09:51,800 --> 02:09:49,620 of the naval air forces and the Pacific 2802 02:09:53,600 --> 02:09:51,810 and the Chief of Naval Operations Office 2803 02:09:55,700 --> 02:09:53,610 of information warfare right so those 2804 02:09:57,800 --> 02:09:55,710 are the offices within the Navy that 2805 02:10:00,890 --> 02:09:57,810 would if records exist that they would 2806 02:10:02,240 --> 02:10:00,900 be there and all of them said absolutely 2807 02:10:04,970 --> 02:10:02,250 nothing that there were no records 2808 02:10:07,340 --> 02:10:04,980 pertaining to any communications between 2809 02:10:09,290 --> 02:10:07,350 them and a tip but on top of that there 2810 02:10:12,680 --> 02:10:09,300 were no directives no reporting 2811 02:10:15,920 --> 02:10:12,690 instructions no manuals no nothing now 2812 02:10:18,500 --> 02:10:15,930 why is that because mr. Elizondo and you 2813 02:10:21,530 --> 02:10:18,510 I'll go back to what you read he says 2814 02:10:25,130 --> 02:10:21,540 some case some cases reporting would 2815 02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:25,140 come up through navy channels now right 2816 02:10:29,090 --> 02:10:27,090 there tells you he didn't go to the navy 2817 02:10:31,850 --> 02:10:29,100 and sift through videos and try and find 2818 02:10:34,010 --> 02:10:31,860 something on his own according to his 2819 02:10:36,320 --> 02:10:34,020 own words they would come to him from 2820 02:10:37,880 --> 02:10:36,330 the Navy so how would they come through 2821 02:10:40,430 --> 02:10:37,890 if the Navy is saying no we don't have 2822 02:10:43,040 --> 02:10:40,440 anything but mr. Elizondo is saying yeah 2823 02:10:45,350 --> 02:10:43,050 they would come in through the Navy well 2824 02:10:47,690 --> 02:10:45,360 what's going on with this one now you 2825 02:10:49,700 --> 02:10:47,700 know that part didn't make sense either 2826 02:10:52,580 --> 02:10:49,710 and so you would think that there would 2827 02:10:55,010 --> 02:10:52,590 be something related to what I had 2828 02:10:57,950 --> 02:10:55,020 requested and I was vague and I was 2829 02:10:59,570 --> 02:10:57,960 broad for a reason and yet the Navy says 2830 02:11:03,650 --> 02:10:59,580 nope we got nothing 2831 02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:03,660 that red flag call it the start of the 2832 02:11:09,410 --> 02:11:06,810 nail in the coffin that something wasn't 2833 02:11:11,630 --> 02:11:09,420 right the magnitude wasn't what we were 2834 02:11:14,060 --> 02:11:11,640 being led to believe mr. Elizondo is 2835 02:11:15,560 --> 02:11:14,070 being truthful I mean there's a list of 2836 02:11:17,930 --> 02:11:15,570 of what it could be 2837 02:11:21,860 --> 02:11:17,940 but regardless Navy's got nothing so 2838 02:11:23,900 --> 02:11:21,870 this was another agency that is saying 2839 02:11:25,850 --> 02:11:23,910 that there are no documents when based 2840 02:11:28,160 --> 02:11:25,860 on his own testimony there should be is 2841 02:11:30,230 --> 02:11:28,170 there a possibility here I'll play 2842 02:11:32,580 --> 02:11:30,240 devil's advocate is there a possibility 2843 02:11:35,700 --> 02:11:32,590 that we got Louis's name 2844 02:11:38,040 --> 02:11:35,710 wrong or that he had another name that 2845 02:11:40,280 --> 02:11:38,050 he was using inside of the DoD and 2846 02:11:44,820 --> 02:11:40,290 that's why there's absolutely zero 2847 02:11:46,560 --> 02:11:44,830 anything on this guy well not really 2848 02:11:51,330 --> 02:11:46,570 just simply because the scope of my 2849 02:11:53,430 --> 02:11:51,340 request and I do put the text on the the 2850 02:11:55,500 --> 02:11:53,440 big I call it a case file but the big 2851 02:11:57,359 --> 02:11:55,510 page that I created so anybody can 2852 02:11:59,910 --> 02:11:57,369 verify when I request it but I wasn't 2853 02:12:01,830 --> 02:11:59,920 saying give me everything from mr. Lewis 2854 02:12:03,209 --> 02:12:01,840 elizondo's email address and that's 2855 02:12:05,550 --> 02:12:03,219 where I left it 2856 02:12:08,070 --> 02:12:05,560 so if that's what I did and got a no 2857 02:12:10,950 --> 02:12:08,080 records response and his name was you 2858 02:12:13,620 --> 02:12:10,960 know Charles Smith then sure yeah that 2859 02:12:16,589 --> 02:12:13,630 that you'd have a point but I'm going 2860 02:12:18,240 --> 02:12:16,599 after what we have confirmed according 2861 02:12:20,700 --> 02:12:18,250 to the government itself as the real 2862 02:12:23,419 --> 02:12:20,710 name the real project name and then on 2863 02:12:26,010 --> 02:12:23,429 top of that not even really mentioning 2864 02:12:28,820 --> 02:12:26,020 elizondo's names in what I'm requesting 2865 02:12:32,250 --> 02:12:28,830 now I do use his name and his testimony 2866 02:12:35,250 --> 02:12:32,260 to support why the documents would be 2867 02:12:37,020 --> 02:12:35,260 there but in the scope of what I'm 2868 02:12:39,240 --> 02:12:37,030 requesting and the paragraphs that 2869 02:12:41,939 --> 02:12:39,250 stipulated I'm looking for X Y & Z I 2870 02:12:44,580 --> 02:12:41,949 don't say with mr. elizondo's name on it 2871 02:12:46,020 --> 02:12:44,590 you know so that again was a strategic 2872 02:12:48,570 --> 02:12:46,030 thing you leave all that stuff off 2873 02:12:50,520 --> 02:12:48,580 because maybe the program is real but 2874 02:12:52,379 --> 02:12:50,530 mr. Elizondo was not the head of it even 2875 02:12:54,180 --> 02:12:52,389 though that's what he said about saying 2876 02:12:56,520 --> 02:12:54,190 that he's lying but again you get my 2877 02:12:58,709 --> 02:12:56,530 drift that if you're too specific you 2878 02:13:00,270 --> 02:12:58,719 get yourself in trouble so to your 2879 02:13:03,180 --> 02:13:00,280 question no I don't think that's 2880 02:13:05,700 --> 02:13:03,190 possible simply because I don't have his 2881 02:13:08,220 --> 02:13:05,710 name in the majority of these requests 2882 02:13:10,950 --> 02:13:08,230 now is there also I'll play devil 2883 02:13:13,680 --> 02:13:10,960 devil's advocate again where that all of 2884 02:13:16,470 --> 02:13:13,690 this is so top secret and 2885 02:13:19,260 --> 02:13:16,480 compartmentalized that they are not 2886 02:13:22,379 --> 02:13:19,270 going to release diddly-squat to you 2887 02:13:24,270 --> 02:13:22,389 what about that yeah is that a 2888 02:13:25,530 --> 02:13:24,280 possibility Mia maybe but there's a 2889 02:13:28,080 --> 02:13:25,540 couple things working against that 2890 02:13:30,570 --> 02:13:28,090 theory number one they're openly talking 2891 02:13:32,490 --> 02:13:30,580 about it and they meaning not only mr. 2892 02:13:34,410 --> 02:13:32,500 Elizondo but also the government itself 2893 02:13:36,060 --> 02:13:34,420 right so therefore the gut the the 2894 02:13:38,070 --> 02:13:36,070 program itself is not all that 2895 02:13:40,229 --> 02:13:38,080 top-secret but now you have the 2896 02:13:44,370 --> 02:13:40,239 testimony granted it wasn't under oath 2897 02:13:46,170 --> 02:13:44,380 of former US Senator Harry Reid saying 2898 02:13:48,540 --> 02:13:46,180 that these documents are primarily 2899 02:13:51,000 --> 02:13:48,550 unclassified and open and you can ask 2900 02:13:54,510 --> 02:13:51,010 for him so you wouldn't have you know 2901 02:13:56,540 --> 02:13:54,520 those things out there if it was just so 2902 02:13:59,940 --> 02:13:56,550 top-secret they they wouldn't even 2903 02:14:02,040 --> 02:13:59,950 acknowledge it and I'll and I'll back 2904 02:14:03,960 --> 02:14:02,050 that up even more let's just omit the 2905 02:14:06,480 --> 02:14:03,970 testimony of Elizondo let's admit the 2906 02:14:09,330 --> 02:14:06,490 testimony or the the wording of Harry 2907 02:14:11,700 --> 02:14:09,340 Reid I have proof that when you deal 2908 02:14:13,890 --> 02:14:11,710 with stuff that is really you know 2909 02:14:16,050 --> 02:14:13,900 top-secret at the highest levels 2910 02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:16,060 specifically the National Security 2911 02:14:20,490 --> 02:14:19,450 Agency's programs that work that came to 2912 02:14:23,430 --> 02:14:20,500 light through the Edward Snowden 2913 02:14:26,220 --> 02:14:23,440 revelations and you know we're talking 2914 02:14:27,960 --> 02:14:26,230 about some seriously top-secret stuff 2915 02:14:29,430 --> 02:14:27,970 just simply because they were breaking 2916 02:14:31,470 --> 02:14:29,440 laws they knew they weren't doing 2917 02:14:33,210 --> 02:14:31,480 something right this was at the highest 2918 02:14:35,310 --> 02:14:33,220 level of being top-secret it was never 2919 02:14:36,840 --> 02:14:35,320 acknowledged it was kept off the books I 2920 02:14:38,580 --> 02:14:36,850 mean you know there's very few people 2921 02:14:41,940 --> 02:14:38,590 that would argue that that's very 2922 02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:41,950 top-secret I had that that that would 2923 02:14:46,410 --> 02:14:44,410 not be very top-secret excuse me and so 2924 02:14:50,190 --> 02:14:46,420 I have filed FOIA requests on those 2925 02:14:52,530 --> 02:14:50,200 specific program names and topics and if 2926 02:14:55,110 --> 02:14:52,540 we if we kind of juxtapose here that 2927 02:14:57,720 --> 02:14:55,120 versus a tip mm-hmm the responses I got 2928 02:14:59,700 --> 02:14:57,730 from the NSA were completely different 2929 02:15:02,040 --> 02:14:59,710 they were giving what are called Glomar 2930 02:15:05,220 --> 02:15:02,050 responses and what that means is is that 2931 02:15:08,040 --> 02:15:05,230 they will neither confirm nor deny that 2932 02:15:10,260 --> 02:15:08,050 records exist on let's say prism prism 2933 02:15:13,050 --> 02:15:10,270 being one of the programs that Snowden 2934 02:15:15,390 --> 02:15:13,060 came out with right so I'm using that as 2935 02:15:17,070 --> 02:15:15,400 an example because that is how the 2936 02:15:20,250 --> 02:15:17,080 government deals with some of the most 2937 02:15:22,980 --> 02:15:20,260 top-secret material that you can request 2938 02:15:25,470 --> 02:15:22,990 and instead of saying nope we have and 2939 02:15:26,670 --> 02:15:25,480 lie about it they just say not you know 2940 02:15:27,480 --> 02:15:26,680 what we're not even going to tell you if 2941 02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:27,490 it exists or not 2942 02:15:31,770 --> 02:15:29,890 in essence it's that top-secret that 2943 02:15:34,200 --> 02:15:31,780 they just won't touch it but when they 2944 02:15:35,820 --> 02:15:34,210 tip that's not what happened and the 2945 02:15:37,200 --> 02:15:35,830 situation is exactly the same you got 2946 02:15:38,370 --> 02:15:37,210 somebody coming out if you want to call 2947 02:15:40,710 --> 02:15:38,380 him a whistleblower call him a 2948 02:15:42,420 --> 02:15:40,720 whistleblower but he comes out he talks 2949 02:15:46,080 --> 02:15:42,430 about a secret program that's never been 2950 02:15:49,890 --> 02:15:46,090 out before and yet the FOIA responses or 2951 02:15:52,200 --> 02:15:49,900 you know not what it was with these top 2952 02:15:53,820 --> 02:15:52,210 secret NSA programs and I'm just using 2953 02:15:55,800 --> 02:15:53,830 that one example there's quite a few 2954 02:15:58,200 --> 02:15:55,810 that are out there that show that if 2955 02:15:59,760 --> 02:15:58,210 something is that classified it will get 2956 02:16:01,590 --> 02:15:59,770 a Glomar response 2957 02:16:03,240 --> 02:16:01,600 more times than not and they won't 2958 02:16:05,490 --> 02:16:03,250 chance just lying about it because 2959 02:16:07,890 --> 02:16:05,500 they'll get caught later in essence 2960 02:16:10,760 --> 02:16:07,900 they'll just get the Glomar when we are 2961 02:16:13,830 --> 02:16:10,770 talking about the difference between 2962 02:16:15,900 --> 02:16:13,840 aviation and aerospace I want to 2963 02:16:19,350 --> 02:16:15,910 actually go back a little bit in time 2964 02:16:23,280 --> 02:16:19,360 and talk about foreign technology and 2965 02:16:26,820 --> 02:16:23,290 that moniker right because that could be 2966 02:16:30,330 --> 02:16:26,830 and has been suggested that that was 2967 02:16:33,259 --> 02:16:30,340 offworld research right but also you 2968 02:16:36,419 --> 02:16:33,269 know and looking into the possibility of 2969 02:16:40,200 --> 02:16:36,429 the retrieval of craft saucers and so 2970 02:16:44,339 --> 02:16:40,210 forth but it also could mean missile 2971 02:16:46,919 --> 02:16:44,349 technology from Russia right and and 2972 02:16:51,360 --> 02:16:46,929 that type of foreign technology when we 2973 02:16:57,209 --> 02:16:51,370 are talking about a tip and aviation 2974 02:17:00,450 --> 02:16:57,219 could this be a black program that is 2975 02:17:03,629 --> 02:17:00,460 doing just that that is looking into the 2976 02:17:06,440 --> 02:17:03,639 aviation threats from foreign 2977 02:17:09,690 --> 02:17:06,450 governments and not necessarily offworld 2978 02:17:11,580 --> 02:17:09,700 yeah absolutely and and I and I wrote 2979 02:17:13,320 --> 02:17:11,590 extensively about that very point we 2980 02:17:14,879 --> 02:17:13,330 haven't talked about it yet but the New 2981 02:17:19,169 --> 02:17:14,889 York Times and our article said that 2982 02:17:21,240 --> 02:17:19,179 Bigelow Aerospace housed these alloys 2983 02:17:23,339 --> 02:17:21,250 that they were able to retrieve under 2984 02:17:25,500 --> 02:17:23,349 this program now of course the media 2985 02:17:27,480 --> 02:17:25,510 just bloomed all over that stating that 2986 02:17:29,790 --> 02:17:27,490 it was potentially alien and an 2987 02:17:31,350 --> 02:17:29,800 extraterrestrial aircraft were recovered 2988 02:17:33,000 --> 02:17:31,360 spacecraft I should say were recovered 2989 02:17:34,830 --> 02:17:33,010 and of course you know depending upon 2990 02:17:38,490 --> 02:17:34,840 the the media outlet you were reading 2991 02:17:41,540 --> 02:17:38,500 they really embellished that part but my 2992 02:17:43,860 --> 02:17:41,550 theory on this ties into history and 2993 02:17:47,070 --> 02:17:43,870 history shows us a project by the name 2994 02:17:49,169 --> 02:17:47,080 of moon dust and project moon dust was 2995 02:17:51,270 --> 02:17:49,179 in the during the Cold War years and 2996 02:17:54,750 --> 02:17:51,280 it's a fascinating documented history 2997 02:17:57,450 --> 02:17:54,760 that during the Cold War when the Soviet 2998 02:18:00,330 --> 02:17:57,460 Union was was launching not only rockets 2999 02:18:02,720 --> 02:18:00,340 but satellites into space what comes up 3000 02:18:05,580 --> 02:18:02,730 must come down and moon dust was 3001 02:18:09,299 --> 02:18:05,590 responsible for going out and retrieving 3002 02:18:11,220 --> 02:18:09,309 these crashed failures or these objects 3003 02:18:13,350 --> 02:18:11,230 that were coming in from space crash 3004 02:18:13,889 --> 02:18:13,360 landing in the middle of Kansas or in 3005 02:18:27,870 --> 02:18:13,899 the 3006 02:18:31,109 --> 02:18:27,880 gotten at this point you know this was a 3007 02:18:33,809 --> 02:18:31,119 very very fascinating time in the space 3008 02:18:35,459 --> 02:18:33,819 race and moondust again is a documented 3009 02:18:37,799 --> 02:18:35,469 part of history you can get documents 3010 02:18:39,569 --> 02:18:37,809 you could search the black vault compher 3011 02:18:41,519 --> 02:18:39,579 for documents on moon dusk i've got 3012 02:18:43,949 --> 02:18:41,529 quite a few of them and that's what that 3013 02:18:46,109 --> 02:18:43,959 job was was to see what the material was 3014 02:18:48,120 --> 02:18:46,119 made of how they were doing it 3015 02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:48,130 potentially what the capabilities were 3016 02:18:52,859 --> 02:18:51,130 and so on now fast forward to today we 3017 02:18:54,959 --> 02:18:52,869 don't have the same space race 3018 02:18:57,299 --> 02:18:54,969 quote-unquote that we had with the 3019 02:19:00,000 --> 02:18:57,309 Soviet Union back then but we have a 3020 02:19:02,629 --> 02:19:00,010 very different type of race and that is 3021 02:19:05,669 --> 02:19:02,639 to make sure that we race to 3022 02:19:07,589 --> 02:19:05,679 safeguarding ourselves from these crazy 3023 02:19:09,389 --> 02:19:07,599 lunatics that are running some of these 3024 02:19:12,750 --> 02:19:09,399 countries that are out there and we 3025 02:19:15,750 --> 02:19:12,760 don't 100% know what the material they 3026 02:19:17,489 --> 02:19:15,760 have is and so I believe that the the 3027 02:19:19,559 --> 02:19:17,499 material that was written about that 3028 02:19:21,479 --> 02:19:19,569 they say were alloys which by the way 3029 02:19:23,489 --> 02:19:21,489 it's interesting to be it's it's 3030 02:19:25,679 --> 02:19:23,499 interesting to point out that has since 3031 02:19:28,500 --> 02:19:25,689 been walked back a little bit that it 3032 02:19:30,870 --> 02:19:28,510 wasn't alloys they're calling them meta 3033 02:19:33,870 --> 02:19:30,880 materials so it wasn't as originally 3034 02:19:37,049 --> 02:19:33,880 printed so again yet another you know 3035 02:19:39,059 --> 02:19:37,059 miss misinformation out there that 3036 02:19:41,819 --> 02:19:39,069 wasn't properly vetted or got 3037 02:19:44,489 --> 02:19:41,829 embellished a little bit past what it 3038 02:19:46,139 --> 02:19:44,499 really was now again I won't harp too 3039 02:19:49,429 --> 02:19:46,149 much on it because it's a complicated 3040 02:19:51,989 --> 02:19:49,439 you know scientific thing to write about 3041 02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:51,999 alloys versus meta materials but 3042 02:19:56,189 --> 02:19:53,770 regardless that was another thing that 3043 02:19:58,109 --> 02:19:56,199 was false in that original article now 3044 02:20:00,899 --> 02:19:58,119 be that as it may now we're talking 3045 02:20:02,639 --> 02:20:00,909 about meta materials it's my theory that 3046 02:20:06,689 --> 02:20:02,649 yeah we're talking about project moon 3047 02:20:09,269 --> 02:20:06,699 dust 2.0 and Bigelow Aerospace which we 3048 02:20:11,880 --> 02:20:09,279 haven't really mentioned yet which has 3049 02:20:13,739 --> 02:20:11,890 been talked about as being the recipient 3050 02:20:16,439 --> 02:20:13,749 of the majority of the 22 million 3051 02:20:18,689 --> 02:20:16,449 dollars that this material it would make 3052 02:20:21,239 --> 02:20:18,699 sense to send it to somebody like 3053 02:20:24,750 --> 02:20:21,249 Bigelow Aerospace who's in the top you 3054 02:20:27,790 --> 02:20:24,760 know three top four private corporations 3055 02:20:30,040 --> 02:20:27,800 in the current commercialized space race 3056 02:20:32,170 --> 02:20:30,050 so it would make sense to take that 3057 02:20:35,500 --> 02:20:32,180 material whether it be crashed from 3058 02:20:38,050 --> 02:20:35,510 present-day Russia or China or Iran or 3059 02:20:41,080 --> 02:20:38,060 India or whomever it crashes in the 3060 02:20:43,029 --> 02:20:41,090 middle of wherever we go out grab it 3061 02:20:44,500 --> 02:20:43,039 send it to Bigelow Aerospace because 3062 02:20:47,889 --> 02:20:44,510 they're contracted to figure it all out 3063 02:20:52,260 --> 02:20:47,899 and to me that's project moondust 2.0 3064 02:20:54,819 --> 02:20:52,270 and makes perfect sense it brings in 3065 02:20:56,889 --> 02:20:54,829 every aspect of what was reported and 3066 02:20:58,809 --> 02:20:56,899 makes it make sense and the only thing 3067 02:21:01,269 --> 02:20:58,819 we used to to make it make sense is 3068 02:21:04,389 --> 02:21:01,279 history proven history with moon dust 3069 02:21:06,309 --> 02:21:04,399 that's exactly what that project was now 3070 02:21:09,040 --> 02:21:06,319 if they come out with alien material 3071 02:21:11,170 --> 02:21:09,050 tomorrow and mr. Elizondo says see John 3072 02:21:13,630 --> 02:21:11,180 I told you we had it okay cool I'll 3073 02:21:14,830 --> 02:21:13,640 stand corrected but until that happens I 3074 02:21:18,040 --> 02:21:14,840 think what we're dealing with is 3075 02:21:20,769 --> 02:21:18,050 advanced foreign technology and the race 3076 02:21:23,649 --> 02:21:20,779 to understand it because that race to 3077 02:21:25,420 --> 02:21:23,659 understand it safeguards us and it 3078 02:21:27,700 --> 02:21:25,430 throws money to the private sector to 3079 02:21:30,160 --> 02:21:27,710 understand a little bit more about space 3080 02:21:31,540 --> 02:21:30,170 technology how it's made why it's made 3081 02:21:33,189 --> 02:21:31,550 and what it can do and what we can 3082 02:21:35,050 --> 02:21:33,199 achieve and when you say think that 3083 02:21:38,500 --> 02:21:35,060 makes a lot more sense and when you say 3084 02:21:40,979 --> 02:21:38,510 foreign technology are you referring to 3085 02:21:44,050 --> 02:21:40,989 terrestrial foreign technology or 3086 02:21:45,969 --> 02:21:44,060 technology from the stars now I'm 3087 02:21:48,250 --> 02:21:45,979 talking about technology here on earth 3088 02:21:51,059 --> 02:21:48,260 that's right and and and just like moon 3089 02:21:53,410 --> 02:21:51,069 dust got entwined in the UFO / 3090 02:21:57,040 --> 02:21:53,420 extraterrestrial it's a responsibility 3091 02:22:00,550 --> 02:21:57,050 right sure it could be a possibility I 3092 02:22:04,899 --> 02:22:00,560 just I I don't see it that way and and I 3093 02:22:06,269 --> 02:22:04,909 wish that it was termed that way if they 3094 02:22:08,679 --> 02:22:06,279 came out and said we got these 3095 02:22:11,200 --> 02:22:08,689 metamaterials these mysterious unknown 3096 02:22:13,750 --> 02:22:11,210 whatever they are they don't match up to 3097 02:22:16,330 --> 02:22:13,760 anything what we found was a lot of them 3098 02:22:18,099 --> 02:22:16,340 are Russian or Chinese or whatever they 3099 02:22:21,130 --> 02:22:18,109 are but there are a few that we couldn't 3100 02:22:23,830 --> 02:22:21,140 identify in that context man I'd be all 3101 02:22:25,840 --> 02:22:23,840 over it I'd be that that's awesome but 3102 02:22:29,200 --> 02:22:25,850 to give to just to give the impression 3103 02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:29,210 that it's alien and not give any context 3104 02:22:34,389 --> 02:22:31,850 whatsoever to me that's where that red 3105 02:22:36,670 --> 02:22:34,399 flag comes in I'm an advocate for truth 3106 02:22:38,080 --> 02:22:36,680 and revealing what you got you know if 3107 02:22:40,599 --> 02:22:38,090 you've got the chain of custody document 3108 02:22:41,330 --> 02:22:40,609 put it out there if you know that those 3109 02:22:44,360 --> 02:22:41,340 meta mature 3110 02:22:45,980 --> 02:22:44,370 were primarily from other countries but 3111 02:22:46,580 --> 02:22:45,990 some of which you just couldn't figure 3112 02:22:48,890 --> 02:22:46,590 it out 3113 02:22:50,810 --> 02:22:48,900 cool give us that context and that's 3114 02:22:53,120 --> 02:22:50,820 that's what we can use then to really 3115 02:22:55,190 --> 02:22:53,130 say look it's only three percent of what 3116 02:22:57,110 --> 02:22:55,200 was of what was recovered but that three 3117 02:22:59,540 --> 02:22:57,120 percent could potentially be alien but 3118 02:23:03,560 --> 02:22:59,550 we don't have any of that all we have is 3119 02:23:05,511 --> 02:23:03,570 the illusion that maybe it's alien and 3120 02:23:07,370 --> 02:23:05,521 then depending again on the media outlet 3121 02:23:10,251 --> 02:23:07,380 a lot of them say yeah it's alien they 3122 02:23:13,370 --> 02:23:10,261 got alien chunks of of spaceships there 3123 02:23:16,730 --> 02:23:13,380 at Bigelow and and that's you know not 3124 02:23:20,690 --> 02:23:16,740 the reality of it so that's that really 3125 02:23:22,551 --> 02:23:20,700 is kind of one of my one of my closing 3126 02:23:26,261 --> 02:23:22,561 thoughts I would say in the skepticism 3127 02:23:28,841 --> 02:23:26,271 that there's no context and there's no 3128 02:23:31,730 --> 02:23:28,851 conversation with the UFO community 3129 02:23:34,040 --> 02:23:31,740 there's just these little teases and 3130 02:23:36,801 --> 02:23:34,050 when we think you're ready we're going 3131 02:23:39,650 --> 02:23:36,811 to spoon-feed you another video and I 3132 02:23:41,450 --> 02:23:39,660 don't agree with that just simply 3133 02:23:44,001 --> 02:23:41,460 because I am that advocate for 3134 02:23:46,430 --> 02:23:44,011 information for the truth if you got it 3135 02:23:48,110 --> 02:23:46,440 show it and for those of you who are 3136 02:23:50,270 --> 02:23:48,120 looking at that page not to do a 3137 02:23:53,030 --> 02:23:50,280 shameless plug but the blackbaud.com 3138 02:23:54,890 --> 02:23:53,040 slash T TSA will forward you to 3139 02:23:57,530 --> 02:23:54,900 everything we're talking about you'll 3140 02:24:00,860 --> 02:23:57,540 notice a revision date at the top 3141 02:24:02,600 --> 02:24:00,870 my research morphs all the time and so I 3142 02:24:05,060 --> 02:24:02,610 add to that I don't publish it and call 3143 02:24:07,070 --> 02:24:05,070 it gospel you know I'm Morphin all the 3144 02:24:09,230 --> 02:24:07,080 time whenever things come in whenever 3145 02:24:10,970 --> 02:24:09,240 new information comes to light I make 3146 02:24:13,551 --> 02:24:10,980 sure that I put it in there and share it 3147 02:24:15,440 --> 02:24:13,561 with everybody else and is sadly not 3148 02:24:17,540 --> 02:24:15,450 everybody thinks that way and I'm not 3149 02:24:19,190 --> 02:24:17,550 saying that's right or wrong but that's 3150 02:24:22,341 --> 02:24:19,200 my personal opinion that if you've got 3151 02:24:25,671 --> 02:24:22,351 something show it and the donations will 3152 02:24:30,980 --> 02:24:25,681 follow if it's worthwhile where is a tip 3153 02:24:35,140 --> 02:24:30,990 today the timeline suggested publicly 3154 02:24:38,240 --> 02:24:35,150 was that it it ended in 2012 you know 3155 02:24:40,131 --> 02:24:38,250 yeah that's another big question mark 3156 02:24:43,730 --> 02:24:40,141 according to mr. Elizondo it continues 3157 02:24:45,410 --> 02:24:43,740 to this day that's that's his side 3158 02:24:47,270 --> 02:24:45,420 according to the government as we know 3159 02:24:50,720 --> 02:24:47,280 in December they said it cancelled in 3160 02:24:52,761 --> 02:24:50,730 2012 so what I did was I actually went 3161 02:24:55,611 --> 02:24:52,771 back and in addition to the military 3162 02:24:57,411 --> 02:24:55,621 reports we know a tip was receiving 3163 02:24:59,331 --> 02:24:57,421 we know that through testimony mr. 3164 02:25:01,581 --> 02:24:59,341 Elizondo that there were commercial that 3165 02:25:03,560 --> 02:25:01,591 there were pilots from the commercial 3166 02:25:05,690 --> 02:25:03,570 sector seeing things as well that has 3167 02:25:07,520 --> 02:25:05,700 been talked about quite a few times we 3168 02:25:09,621 --> 02:25:07,530 know that over the years and in the 3169 02:25:11,121 --> 02:25:09,631 field of ufology so what I did was I 3170 02:25:13,761 --> 02:25:11,131 actually started researching the FAA 3171 02:25:16,791 --> 02:25:13,771 manuals and I knew just from previous 3172 02:25:19,190 --> 02:25:16,801 research that Bigelow Aerospace had the 3173 02:25:19,850 --> 02:25:19,200 National Institute for discovery science 3174 02:25:22,430 --> 02:25:19,860 or knids 3175 02:25:25,791 --> 02:25:22,440 and they were able to get themselves 3176 02:25:28,581 --> 02:25:25,801 listed as kind of one of those reporting 3177 02:25:30,190 --> 02:25:28,591 centers for commercial aviation pilots 3178 02:25:35,270 --> 02:25:30,200 and they got themselves and one of the 3179 02:25:36,770 --> 02:25:35,280 commercial manuals from the FAA however 3180 02:25:39,171 --> 02:25:36,780 what I did was I started searching 3181 02:25:42,321 --> 02:25:39,181 through all of the manuals that the FAA 3182 02:25:44,930 --> 02:25:42,331 published from the beginning of a tip 3183 02:25:47,571 --> 02:25:44,940 the rumored beginning through today and 3184 02:25:49,131 --> 02:25:47,581 I went through every single revision and 3185 02:25:50,690 --> 02:25:49,141 I actually have them all online if 3186 02:25:56,890 --> 02:25:50,700 anybody's curious to look at them and 3187 02:26:00,680 --> 02:25:56,900 you can actually see from about 2000 3188 02:26:04,071 --> 02:26:00,690 2002 is when knids was actually put into 3189 02:26:07,551 --> 02:26:04,081 the FAA manual as being on the receiving 3190 02:26:12,440 --> 02:26:07,561 end of a commercial UFO sighting around 3191 02:26:14,871 --> 02:26:12,450 the time that a tip was created 2009 3192 02:26:17,900 --> 02:26:14,881 2010 under the Freedom of Information 3193 02:26:20,841 --> 02:26:17,910 Act I received every communication from 3194 02:26:23,421 --> 02:26:20,851 Bigelow Aerospace and the FAA and around 3195 02:26:26,480 --> 02:26:23,431 the time that that a tip started the FAA 3196 02:26:29,600 --> 02:26:26,490 manuals were revised knids was taken out 3197 02:26:32,631 --> 02:26:29,610 and Bigelow Aerospace or Bass was put in 3198 02:26:35,501 --> 02:26:32,641 that's the arm of Bigelow Aerospace that 3199 02:26:38,301 --> 02:26:35,511 is arguably part of a tip and so on 3200 02:26:42,111 --> 02:26:38,311 going through all of the manuals all the 3201 02:26:45,491 --> 02:26:42,121 way through 2017 Bigelow Aerospace and 3202 02:26:48,501 --> 02:26:45,501 bass was taken out after 2012 3203 02:26:49,940 --> 02:26:48,511 nobody can fake that and yet the 3204 02:26:50,690 --> 02:26:49,950 government is saying it was canceled in 3205 02:26:52,970 --> 02:26:50,700 2012 3206 02:26:57,020 --> 02:26:52,980 mr. Elizondo said it continued to this 3207 02:26:59,900 --> 02:26:57,030 day yet in nearly the exact year that a 3208 02:27:02,751 --> 02:26:59,910 tip was allegedly canceled bass and 3209 02:27:05,690 --> 02:27:02,761 Bigelow Aerospace disappear from the FAA 3210 02:27:08,430 --> 02:27:05,700 manuals why is this important because it 3211 02:27:11,220 --> 02:27:08,440 shows pretty much a tip was canceled 3212 02:27:14,280 --> 02:27:11,230 at the very least Bigelow Aerospace was 3213 02:27:16,591 --> 02:27:14,290 cut out so I'll let the audience decide 3214 02:27:18,150 --> 02:27:16,601 which one of those is true but it does 3215 02:27:20,970 --> 02:27:18,160 coincide with the fact that it was 3216 02:27:23,551 --> 02:27:20,980 cancelled in 2012 John I want to thank 3217 02:27:25,830 --> 02:27:23,561 you men for all that you do this is 3218 02:27:29,400 --> 02:27:25,840 looking at this and certainly you have 3219 02:27:31,770 --> 02:27:29,410 your son and and your family and your 3220 02:27:34,200 --> 02:27:31,780 job and water and everything but the 3221 02:27:36,060 --> 02:27:34,210 time and the effort that you put into 3222 02:27:39,810 --> 02:27:36,070 the black vault and certainly this 3223 02:27:41,850 --> 02:27:39,820 research it's just it's just commendable 3224 02:27:45,420 --> 02:27:41,860 and all I can say is is thanking the 3225 02:27:46,890 --> 02:27:45,430 community thanks you and there's it's 3226 02:27:49,860 --> 02:27:46,900 called the black vault but it's also 3227 02:27:51,690 --> 02:27:49,870 black and white and that's I think that 3228 02:27:54,301 --> 02:27:51,700 is the most important part about all of 3229 02:27:56,160 --> 02:27:54,311 this it's just an amazing amount of work 3230 02:27:58,740 --> 02:27:56,170 that you do thank you so much I 3231 02:28:00,511 --> 02:27:58,750 appreciate that and I had a blast I 3232 02:28:03,210 --> 02:28:00,521 really do appreciate you having me on 3233 02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:03,220 and we'll do it again very soon and 3234 02:28:08,820 --> 02:28:06,010 obviously this is ongoing just like you 3235 02:28:11,341 --> 02:28:08,830 stated it here and it will continue to 3236 02:28:13,290 --> 02:28:11,351 develop and I will continue to report 3237 02:28:15,110 --> 02:28:13,300 the story and talk about your important 3238 02:28:17,160 --> 02:28:15,120 work thank you so much my friend I 3239 02:28:19,850 --> 02:28:17,170 appreciate that thank you you have a 3240 02:28:23,220 --> 02:28:19,860 good day you too John Greenwald and 3241 02:28:25,591 --> 02:28:23,230 everybody the report is over at he's got 3242 02:28:30,480 --> 02:28:25,601 a special link for everybody which is 3243 02:28:32,310 --> 02:28:30,490 the black vault dot-com /t TSA it'll 3244 02:28:34,500 --> 02:28:32,320 take you straight there I've got it up 3245 02:28:37,051 --> 02:28:34,510 in Twitter and I'm gonna take a quick 3246 02:28:38,700 --> 02:28:37,061 break I'll come back and have a little 3247 02:28:40,290 --> 02:28:38,710 chat and I'll open up the phone lines 3248 02:28:42,330 --> 02:28:40,300 this is fade to black I'm yours Jimmy 3249 02:28:43,540 --> 02:28:42,340 Church thank you John Greenwald I'll be 3250 02:28:48,060 --> 02:28:43,550 right back 3251 02:28:49,130 --> 02:28:48,070 [Music] 3252 02:28:57,330 --> 02:28:49,140 [Applause] 3253 02:29:08,041 --> 02:29:05,740 [Music] 3254 02:29:11,411 --> 02:29:08,051 [Applause] 3255 02:29:14,020 --> 02:29:11,421 hey whoa vivica box here and you are 3256 02:29:19,421 --> 02:29:14,030 listening to my boy Jimmy Church Oh 3257 02:29:22,570 --> 02:29:19,431 Jimmy Church radio.com this my popular 3258 02:29:24,459 --> 02:29:22,580 opinion reading a book will not make you 3259 02:29:28,999 --> 02:29:24,469 smarter 3260 02:29:30,619 --> 02:29:29,009 but listening to Jimmy Church will so 3261 02:29:33,769 --> 02:29:30,629 you went to dinner last night you had 3262 02:29:37,159 --> 02:29:33,779 your favorite pasta or maybe you had a 3263 02:29:39,829 --> 02:29:37,169 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02:33:13,489 --> 02:33:09,769 welcome back fade to black company 3334 02:33:15,379 --> 02:33:13,499 hosting me Church Monday night I want to 3335 02:33:20,179 --> 02:33:15,389 thank John Greenwald fascinating 3336 02:33:24,739 --> 02:33:20,189 conversation the black vaults now the 3337 02:33:27,409 --> 02:33:24,749 complete this is when you go through and 3338 02:33:30,139 --> 02:33:27,419 you should especially after listening to 3339 02:33:34,699 --> 02:33:30,149 this show tonight just go to the black 3340 02:33:40,609 --> 02:33:34,709 vault comm /t TSA and everything is 3341 02:33:42,729 --> 02:33:40,619 right there down at the bottom of the 3342 02:33:46,489 --> 02:33:42,739 documents are heavy everything is here 3343 02:33:49,159 --> 02:33:46,499 but he was talking about a Bigelow 3344 02:33:52,789 --> 02:33:49,169 Aerospace and the reporting to the FAA 3345 02:33:55,399 --> 02:33:52,799 and there is a string of I don't know 3346 02:33:59,089 --> 02:33:55,409 how many documents are here but it's got 3347 02:34:00,469 --> 02:33:59,099 to be 20 30 or 40 Ivan counted but it's 3348 02:34:01,879 --> 02:34:00,479 a long list and you need to just 3349 02:34:04,969 --> 02:34:01,889 actually go through and read that 3350 02:34:09,099 --> 02:34:04,979 because the timeline is laid out there 3351 02:34:12,409 --> 02:34:09,109 too as well but again it this is about 3352 02:34:15,499 --> 02:34:12,419 clarification and this is trying to get 3353 02:34:19,789 --> 02:34:15,509 to the bottom of these things and it's 3354 02:34:23,199 --> 02:34:19,799 it's tough it's tough the the other part 3355 02:34:27,769 --> 02:34:23,209 is look a lot of it is heartbreaking and 3356 02:34:29,809 --> 02:34:27,779 we we need to as a community if we have 3357 02:34:32,929 --> 02:34:29,819 questions let's just try to figure it 3358 02:34:35,119 --> 02:34:32,939 out and we'll find out on our own if if 3359 02:34:38,239 --> 02:34:35,129 it's not given to us and that's what we 3360 02:34:40,039 --> 02:34:38,249 have to do okay these are the days of 3361 02:34:42,529 --> 02:34:40,049 disclosure it's been out there in the 3362 02:34:44,209 --> 02:34:42,539 media every single day I talk about it 3363 02:34:46,669 --> 02:34:44,219 every single day I love it 3364 02:34:50,510 --> 02:34:46,679 I absolutely love that part and the 3365 02:34:53,539 --> 02:34:50,520 awareness that has been brought forward 3366 02:34:56,659 --> 02:34:53,549 globally is it's just these are amazing 3367 02:34:59,839 --> 02:34:56,669 times but there are some things here and 3368 02:35:03,169 --> 02:34:59,849 they are glaring that we need to find 3369 02:35:05,419 --> 02:35:03,179 out really what's going on so with that 3370 02:35:11,059 --> 02:35:05,429 let's go to the phones hi you're live on 3371 02:35:13,849 --> 02:35:11,069 fade to black who's calling I'm doing 3372 02:35:16,399 --> 02:35:13,859 good how are you I'm good 3373 02:35:18,499 --> 02:35:16,409 I'm good I listened to the conversation 3374 02:35:20,171 --> 02:35:18,509 with John Greenwald and all these 3375 02:35:24,951 --> 02:35:20,181 amazing 3376 02:35:28,190 --> 02:35:24,961 but I am the author yeah I'm invested in 3377 02:35:30,320 --> 02:35:28,200 TPP si I've lost all of this there's 3378 02:35:32,180 --> 02:35:30,330 still a part of me that wants to play 3379 02:35:35,501 --> 02:35:32,190 devil's advocate and say there's more to 3380 02:35:38,541 --> 02:35:35,511 it than just simply call every customers 3381 02:35:40,251 --> 02:35:38,551 I mean go back in with Milton Tom 3382 02:35:42,411 --> 02:35:40,261 Andrews especially before Ireland I 3383 02:35:49,610 --> 02:35:42,421 think with George Noory I think it was 3384 02:35:51,980 --> 02:35:49,620 only on yeah okay even in that way he 3385 02:35:53,871 --> 02:35:51,990 passed about a lot of stuff that he's 3386 02:35:56,241 --> 02:35:53,881 meeting with people he's doing eating 3387 02:35:58,100 --> 02:35:56,251 drinking got a lot of Tom's got a lot of 3388 02:36:00,741 --> 02:35:58,110 stuff on all and a lot of pokers and a 3389 02:36:02,600 --> 02:36:00,751 lot of fires because I'm like you know 3390 02:36:06,980 --> 02:36:02,610 there's just II think there's a lot more 3391 02:36:08,600 --> 02:36:06,990 to it also the investor paperwork just 3392 02:36:11,091 --> 02:36:08,610 got finalized it wasn't like the last 3393 02:36:12,470 --> 02:36:11,101 two weeks and that those packets are 3394 02:36:16,520 --> 02:36:12,480 starting to roll out to people I just 3395 02:36:18,890 --> 02:36:16,530 got mine like the other day and I'm 3396 02:36:20,961 --> 02:36:18,900 wondering how much more than something 3397 02:36:23,570 --> 02:36:20,971 we have not seen are those chain of 3398 02:36:25,640 --> 02:36:23,580 custody and once I even talks about 3399 02:36:27,551 --> 02:36:25,650 chain of custody and they still have not 3400 02:36:30,350 --> 02:36:27,561 been placed that I check daily for you 3401 02:36:31,940 --> 02:36:30,360 90 day just to see if they showing up 3402 02:36:34,461 --> 02:36:31,950 without mentioning anything about it 3403 02:36:37,610 --> 02:36:34,471 right and there's still nothing for any 3404 02:36:39,291 --> 02:36:37,620 of the videos whatsoever and Timmy's 3405 02:36:40,850 --> 02:36:39,301 things really been with one of these Tom 3406 02:36:47,390 --> 02:36:40,860 brought up and mentioned it was really 3407 02:36:49,190 --> 02:36:47,400 smart excuse for all you know but it's 3408 02:36:51,890 --> 02:36:49,200 one of those things where he says that 3409 02:36:53,661 --> 02:36:51,900 they wanted to go public with it because 3410 02:36:55,911 --> 02:36:53,671 the government went after you for 3411 02:36:57,711 --> 02:36:55,921 anything they can look up and say we 3412 02:37:00,140 --> 02:36:57,721 have worldwide investors we have to 3413 02:37:02,360 --> 02:37:00,150 answer to therefore if you Dini then you 3414 02:37:03,711 --> 02:37:02,370 have to answer to them as well which my 3415 02:37:06,621 --> 02:37:03,721 understanding that no that's been kind 3416 02:37:10,850 --> 02:37:06,631 of working some situations I could be 3417 02:37:12,230 --> 02:37:10,860 wrong dead and I'm probably and I think 3418 02:37:14,810 --> 02:37:12,240 there was some he was talking about 3419 02:37:16,520 --> 02:37:14,820 something about tangibility with that or 3420 02:37:20,591 --> 02:37:16,530 something where the government can't 3421 02:37:24,291 --> 02:37:20,601 directly know absolutely because of that 3422 02:37:26,690 --> 02:37:24,301 yeah yeah yeah I mean that would again 3423 02:37:28,400 --> 02:37:26,700 that makes a lot of sense the other part 3424 02:37:30,470 --> 02:37:28,410 and it does that makes a lot of sense 3425 02:37:32,810 --> 02:37:30,480 and you would think that there's a level 3426 02:37:35,631 --> 02:37:32,820 of protection there not only for the 3427 02:37:38,091 --> 02:37:35,641 but forty TSA and then you start to you 3428 02:37:40,370 --> 02:37:38,101 know you you pull answers out instead of 3429 02:37:42,291 --> 02:37:40,380 going and chasing them and that you know 3430 02:37:46,251 --> 02:37:42,301 that seems like a really good strategy 3431 02:37:49,400 --> 02:37:46,261 but the other part with that again when 3432 02:37:53,450 --> 02:37:49,410 especially when it comes to ufology we 3433 02:37:56,030 --> 02:37:53,460 get into these circular situations where 3434 02:37:59,810 --> 02:37:56,040 we are just running in circles chasing 3435 02:38:02,330 --> 02:37:59,820 our own tails and this you know and this 3436 02:38:05,480 --> 02:38:02,340 this you know for the UFO community 3437 02:38:07,671 --> 02:38:05,490 we're or act lamented to that you know 3438 02:38:11,001 --> 02:38:07,681 it just seems like we get stuck into 3439 02:38:13,041 --> 02:38:11,011 these circular arguments and I think all 3440 02:38:18,140 --> 02:38:13,051 of it and I appreciate the phone call 3441 02:38:18,650 --> 02:38:18,150 Bob I iced I suggested and I'll say it 3442 02:38:22,251 --> 02:38:18,660 again 3443 02:38:24,640 --> 02:38:22,261 somebody needs to just be a martyr here 3444 02:38:34,011 --> 02:38:24,650 and and follow-up on their own sword 3445 02:38:37,520 --> 02:38:34,021 bring it oh just bring it is stated a 3446 02:38:42,200 --> 02:38:37,530 few times in kind of really odd I would 3447 02:38:44,030 --> 02:38:42,210 say that it was a it may not have 3448 02:38:48,770 --> 02:38:44,040 directly been a program in such as a 3449 02:38:49,940 --> 02:38:48,780 project and sometimes projects go even 3450 02:38:51,711 --> 02:38:49,950 though they may have a name for the 3451 02:38:55,220 --> 02:38:51,721 project internally they may not have one 3452 02:38:57,770 --> 02:38:55,230 for formally meaning that there may not 3453 02:38:59,330 --> 02:38:57,780 be a direct paper trail and twenty 3454 02:39:01,780 --> 02:38:59,340 million that's like that's a being 3455 02:39:04,100 --> 02:39:01,790 special black access for names might not 3456 02:39:06,830 --> 02:39:04,110 that stuff that I'll be filed in ways 3457 02:39:08,570 --> 02:39:06,840 that maybe we do have it maybe it is one 3458 02:39:11,001 --> 02:39:08,580 where we do have to be exchanged 3459 02:39:13,820 --> 02:39:11,011 specifically for every quest as opposed 3460 02:39:17,270 --> 02:39:13,830 to broaden generalize yeah and and the 3461 02:39:20,320 --> 02:39:17,280 one thing that we have to respect John 3462 02:39:24,440 --> 02:39:20,330 Greenwald for and this is not a joke 3463 02:39:35,780 --> 02:39:24,450 nobody has done more for with FOIA than 3464 02:39:39,320 --> 02:39:35,790 John Greenwald okay let's see and that 3465 02:39:41,180 --> 02:39:39,330 and that's if if there is just like he 3466 02:39:44,660 --> 02:39:41,190 brought up you know with Snowden's a 3467 02:39:48,790 --> 02:39:44,670 really good example in that there 3468 02:39:52,130 --> 02:39:48,800 is no matter what there is a response to 3469 02:39:55,520 --> 02:39:52,140 something and there is a paper trail to 3470 02:39:59,030 --> 02:39:55,530 something heavily redacted top-secret 3471 02:40:02,270 --> 02:39:59,040 but you know but there is always a paper 3472 02:40:05,000 --> 02:40:02,280 trail there is always a response no 3473 02:40:09,020 --> 02:40:05,010 matter what we cannot confirm or deny 3474 02:40:12,280 --> 02:40:09,030 right and there is there is always that 3475 02:40:20,270 --> 02:40:12,290 and in this case there is absolutely 3476 02:40:22,550 --> 02:40:20,280 nothing zero zilch nothing nothing and 3477 02:40:25,310 --> 02:40:22,560 but let's let's go back though Bob he 3478 02:40:28,340 --> 02:40:25,320 did say one thing that I think is very 3479 02:40:31,940 --> 02:40:28,350 very important here he had phone 3480 02:40:35,120 --> 02:40:31,950 conversations with the public affairs 3481 02:40:40,420 --> 02:40:35,130 office at the Pentagon directly it is 3482 02:40:45,410 --> 02:40:40,430 written and in official government email 3483 02:40:47,690 --> 02:40:45,420 that the program was aviation not 3484 02:40:49,070 --> 02:40:47,700 aerospace that's a critical thing here 3485 02:40:54,110 --> 02:40:49,080 this is not a mistake 3486 02:40:56,840 --> 02:40:54,120 this is official this is an FOI a of you 3487 02:41:00,380 --> 02:40:56,850 know clarification stuff we're talking 3488 02:41:03,469 --> 02:41:00,390 about straight from the Pentagon that is 3489 02:41:07,450 --> 02:41:03,479 a very important point to bring forward 3490 02:41:10,610 --> 02:41:07,460 the other thing is she could not find 3491 02:41:13,280 --> 02:41:10,620 anything on Lewis Elizondo and where he 3492 02:41:16,400 --> 02:41:13,290 worked for and that again that is 3493 02:41:18,590 --> 02:41:16,410 directly from the Pentagon this isn't a 3494 02:41:21,679 --> 02:41:18,600 Freedom of Information Act request that 3495 02:41:26,840 --> 02:41:21,689 is denied or no records found those 3496 02:41:35,500 --> 02:41:26,850 records came from the Pentagon directly 3497 02:41:40,219 --> 02:41:37,850 specifically they're not the others to 3498 02:41:44,630 --> 02:41:40,229 be only one of the main things are 3499 02:41:45,770 --> 02:41:44,640 really directly I think that is I'm kind 3500 02:41:47,390 --> 02:41:45,780 of reached a point where invalidity 3501 02:41:49,310 --> 02:41:47,400 comes in the surrounding any people 3502 02:41:58,480 --> 02:41:49,320 around you more steveandjessica talked 3503 02:42:04,250 --> 02:42:02,840 well I I don't sit down and like scour 3504 02:42:07,219 --> 02:42:04,260 the names of everybody working in 3505 02:42:08,570 --> 02:42:07,229 Washington big I know that most full 3506 02:42:11,450 --> 02:42:08,580 time I can recognize when somebody 3507 02:42:13,520 --> 02:42:11,460 blazer a mountain I goo kind of yeah I'm 3508 02:42:14,630 --> 02:42:13,530 going to dark land our town board I 3509 02:42:17,030 --> 02:42:14,640 could probably set it somewhere near 3510 02:42:20,690 --> 02:42:17,040 Washington DC or somewhere political but 3511 02:42:21,950 --> 02:42:20,700 it's just one of those things where if I 3512 02:42:24,020 --> 02:42:21,960 recognized him at all 3513 02:42:26,150 --> 02:42:24,030 and here's name didn't see me come out 3514 02:42:27,920 --> 02:42:26,160 of nowhere money I don't recognize that 3515 02:42:29,330 --> 02:42:27,930 it was a group of people he's with I 3516 02:42:30,679 --> 02:42:29,340 don't think any of us and you've all 3517 02:42:32,719 --> 02:42:30,689 kind of just taken it for granted 3518 02:42:34,340 --> 02:42:32,729 because he's been very vocal and very 3519 02:42:37,580 --> 02:42:34,350 open about everything yet at the same 3520 02:42:40,580 --> 02:42:37,590 time we can't find records on any of it 3521 02:42:46,400 --> 02:42:40,590 but then you got seen injustice and help 3522 02:42:49,520 --> 02:42:46,410 it often you know forgot they formed 3523 02:42:50,780 --> 02:42:49,530 what they say right right right right 3524 02:42:52,969 --> 02:42:50,790 right right right 3525 02:42:55,070 --> 02:42:52,979 it's an odd community is what it is it 3526 02:42:56,570 --> 02:42:55,080 is and we have we have the both that 3527 02:43:00,800 --> 02:42:56,580 we're fighting you know they're fighting 3528 02:43:04,340 --> 02:43:00,810 each other because one is confirmed one 3529 02:43:07,550 --> 02:43:04,350 is easy the CV is there for these others 3530 02:43:09,800 --> 02:43:07,560 but when it comes to Lewis we're at dead 3531 02:43:11,510 --> 02:43:09,810 ends on on every turn 3532 02:43:15,880 --> 02:43:11,520 Bob thank you for the phone call my 3533 02:43:21,349 --> 02:43:15,890 friend great phone call oh I'm sorry 3534 02:43:23,060 --> 02:43:21,359 Oh Kyle Kyle loads Kyle I'm sorry you're 3535 02:43:25,099 --> 02:43:23,070 breaking up tonight by the way when you 3536 02:43:26,870 --> 02:43:25,109 listen to this later you'll understand 3537 02:43:30,500 --> 02:43:26,880 why I didn't hear it okay but have a 3538 02:43:34,580 --> 02:43:30,510 great night my friend thank you you too 3539 02:43:36,230 --> 02:43:34,590 great phone call right there let's see 3540 02:43:41,570 --> 02:43:36,240 let's go back to the phones hi you live 3541 02:43:45,950 --> 02:43:41,580 on fade to black who's calling Wally in 3542 02:43:50,420 --> 02:43:45,960 Philadelphia how are you I'm doing good 3543 02:43:52,820 --> 02:43:50,430 the America I grew up in is gone I can't 3544 02:43:56,030 --> 02:43:52,830 believe we're having this much trouble 3545 02:43:58,340 --> 02:43:56,040 with this thing I didn't get to listen 3546 02:44:01,719 --> 02:43:58,350 early on in the program but regarding 3547 02:44:06,200 --> 02:44:01,729 the eight tips thing and whether it's 3548 02:44:08,510 --> 02:44:06,210 aviation or aerospace oh and by the way 3549 02:44:11,590 --> 02:44:08,520 the Wright brothers to Apollo thing that 3550 02:44:18,519 --> 02:44:14,950 can't they can't we just called in New 3551 02:44:20,860 --> 02:44:18,529 York Times and just get them to print a 3552 02:44:23,080 --> 02:44:20,870 correction I know like I know I know 3553 02:44:26,530 --> 02:44:23,090 yeah yeah I thought about that I thought 3554 02:44:29,320 --> 02:44:26,540 about that like if you know the LA Times 3555 02:44:31,540 --> 02:44:29,330 if a firefighter is injured in the fire 3556 02:44:34,000 --> 02:44:31,550 and they say you know Lieutenant James 3557 02:44:36,429 --> 02:44:34,010 so-and-so was injured in a fire then the 3558 02:44:39,309 --> 02:44:36,439 next day they find out his name was 3559 02:44:40,900 --> 02:44:39,319 James Jones Captain James Jones they 3560 02:44:46,269 --> 02:44:40,910 would say they would print a correction 3561 02:44:49,469 --> 02:44:46,279 and so maybe call the New York Times and 3562 02:44:52,809 --> 02:44:49,479 and the writer of the article and say 3563 02:44:56,349 --> 02:44:52,819 you know what's the correct name of this 3564 02:44:58,929 --> 02:44:56,359 and they should epicly print a 3565 02:45:05,210 --> 02:44:58,939 correction of you know the true name of 3566 02:45:06,840 --> 02:45:05,220 a tea is a tea IPS is the following and 3567 02:45:09,760 --> 02:45:06,850 [Music] 3568 02:45:11,769 --> 02:45:09,770 but and I totally respect John Greenwald 3569 02:45:14,139 --> 02:45:11,779 what he does and I think you know his 3570 02:45:16,570 --> 02:45:14,149 websites awesome and everything anyway 3571 02:45:19,679 --> 02:45:16,580 that's all I just thought maybe it was a 3572 02:45:22,870 --> 02:45:19,689 shortcut to try and get some answers but 3573 02:45:25,090 --> 02:45:22,880 yeah yeah you're right and Wally thank 3574 02:45:28,450 --> 02:45:25,100 you for the phone call my friend all 3575 02:45:30,250 --> 02:45:28,460 right yeah one more thing yeah well I 3576 02:45:35,349 --> 02:45:30,260 called last week the cheesesteak place 3577 02:45:38,620 --> 02:45:35,359 was it Tony Luke's oh man I I have got I 3578 02:45:43,330 --> 02:45:38,630 have a fax somewhere I can go back 3579 02:45:45,370 --> 02:45:43,340 through my records from a friend that we 3580 02:45:47,229 --> 02:45:45,380 all know by the way just a movie you 3581 02:45:49,210 --> 02:45:47,239 know an actor but he had sent me a fact 3582 02:45:51,690 --> 02:45:49,220 he goes dude now when you're when you're 3583 02:45:54,550 --> 02:45:51,700 staying downtown you've got to go to 3584 02:45:56,889 --> 02:45:54,560 this fan this is a guy from Philly who 3585 02:45:58,420 --> 02:45:56,899 you know and this is where you need to 3586 02:46:01,809 --> 02:45:58,430 go and I just can't remember the name of 3587 02:46:16,870 --> 02:46:01,819 it and I went there too it was a it was 3588 02:46:19,360 --> 02:46:16,880 a one story walk-up cheesesteak yes got 3589 02:46:21,250 --> 02:46:19,370 bigger fish to fry these days but thanks 3590 02:46:23,710 --> 02:46:21,260 Jimmy I'll figure it out Wally thank you 3591 02:46:29,739 --> 02:46:23,720 so much my friend take care you 3592 02:46:33,760 --> 02:46:29,749 another great phone call I I feel pretty 3593 02:46:37,540 --> 02:46:33,770 good with the answer that we got out of 3594 02:46:40,779 --> 02:46:37,550 the Pentagon in that this is in writing 3595 02:46:44,489 --> 02:46:40,789 it's in an in an email via and also 3596 02:46:51,160 --> 02:46:44,499 confirmed with a phone conversation with 3597 02:46:53,800 --> 02:46:51,170 John and major drishya Harris where she 3598 02:46:57,460 --> 02:46:53,810 says it's aviation it's not aerospace 3599 02:46:59,859 --> 02:46:57,470 well okay I'm feeling pretty good unless 3600 02:47:02,710 --> 02:46:59,869 something changes and some paperwork 3601 02:47:04,599 --> 02:47:02,720 finally surfaces or Elizondo produces 3602 02:47:08,199 --> 02:47:04,609 something but I feel pretty good about 3603 02:47:10,080 --> 02:47:08,209 that but the problem that I have with 3604 02:47:13,719 --> 02:47:10,090 that is there's a big difference between 3605 02:47:18,040 --> 02:47:13,729 aviation and aerospace there's a big big 3606 02:47:20,679 --> 02:47:18,050 big big difference and that's a strange 3607 02:47:22,660 --> 02:47:20,689 mistake you know do you know what 3608 02:47:24,819 --> 02:47:22,670 program you were actually running in the 3609 02:47:26,859 --> 02:47:24,829 name of it you know I don't know I feel 3610 02:47:29,590 --> 02:47:26,869 like I don't know I don't know we're 3611 02:47:32,019 --> 02:47:29,600 trying to figure it out but I think that 3612 02:47:34,989 --> 02:47:32,029 it is aviation and I'm gonna go with 3613 02:47:39,989 --> 02:47:34,999 that now live from the UK Heidi neo 3614 02:47:46,809 --> 02:47:43,120 it's always a good day when you call in 3615 02:47:48,399 --> 02:47:46,819 how are you I'm really good I'm just 3616 02:47:51,130 --> 02:47:48,409 calling to say that Joe Donnelly is a 3617 02:47:52,989 --> 02:47:51,140 legend I've just recently joined his 3618 02:47:54,790 --> 02:47:52,999 investigations team and I'm not 3619 02:47:56,410 --> 02:47:54,800 investigator let's be serious summer 3620 02:48:00,239 --> 02:47:56,420 promotes a more than anything else but 3621 02:48:03,729 --> 02:48:00,249 he is he's an amazing guy absolutely 3622 02:48:05,559 --> 02:48:03,739 incredible and just stuff that you know 3623 02:48:08,410 --> 02:48:05,569 he what he wants to do as he said you 3624 02:48:10,660 --> 02:48:08,420 know the end and we've said at the end 3625 02:48:12,069 --> 02:48:10,670 of the day getting stuff out there it 3626 02:48:13,269 --> 02:48:12,079 doesn't matter where it's come from who 3627 02:48:16,269 --> 02:48:13,279 it's wrong I mean at the moment I'm 3628 02:48:19,660 --> 02:48:16,279 about to put a case that I don't think 3629 02:48:21,429 --> 02:48:19,670 this much is known about it although the 3630 02:48:24,370 --> 02:48:21,439 lady was on with Linda Moulton Howe on 3631 02:48:27,279 --> 02:48:24,380 coast to coast but again it hasn't been 3632 02:48:28,840 --> 02:48:27,289 actually put on anywhere so I think 3633 02:48:31,979 --> 02:48:28,850 that's what I'm gonna be doing now I'm 3634 02:48:35,080 --> 02:48:31,989 gonna be sort of grabbing cases and 3635 02:48:37,269 --> 02:48:35,090 putting them you've been to the map it's 3636 02:48:39,479 --> 02:48:37,279 phenomenal it's just like go 3637 02:48:42,519 --> 02:48:39,489 Pinhook pinpricks all over the world of 3638 02:48:44,050 --> 02:48:42,529 sightings of all sorts and at the end of 3639 02:48:46,659 --> 02:48:44,060 the day if you get everything like this 3640 02:48:48,399 --> 02:48:46,669 in one place it might jog someone's 3641 02:48:50,679 --> 02:48:48,409 memory so therefore you're gonna get 3642 02:48:52,359 --> 02:48:50,689 some more evidence and it's just 3643 02:48:55,510 --> 02:48:52,369 phenomenal and its really excited to be 3644 02:48:58,960 --> 02:48:55,520 part of it really so I'm gonna give 3645 02:49:01,809 --> 02:48:58,970 another plug sorry do you mind no that's 3646 02:49:05,409 --> 02:49:01,819 fine but see tomorrow night was gonna 3647 02:49:08,170 --> 02:49:05,419 have Anthony Sanchez on here doing just 3648 02:49:11,170 --> 02:49:08,180 that too as well which is you know this 3649 02:49:12,670 --> 02:49:11,180 isn't a u.s. phenomenon I know that it's 3650 02:49:14,559 --> 02:49:12,680 you know especially here in the United 3651 02:49:17,529 --> 02:49:14,569 States it's easy to think that the world 3652 02:49:20,500 --> 02:49:17,539 revolves around us and the UFO 3653 02:49:23,800 --> 02:49:20,510 phenomenon is is his ours it's not it's 3654 02:49:26,739 --> 02:49:23,810 worldwide and the numbers that are 3655 02:49:30,579 --> 02:49:26,749 worldwide they will blow people's minds 3656 02:49:33,550 --> 02:49:30,589 and so tomorrow night Anthony will be on 3657 02:49:35,829 --> 02:49:33,560 and he's doing the same thing that 3658 02:49:42,639 --> 02:49:35,839 you're working on same thing that John 3659 02:49:45,579 --> 02:49:42,649 is working on and others try right 3660 02:49:48,130 --> 02:49:45,589 that's Anthony Anthony is part of on 3661 02:49:51,579 --> 02:49:48,140 stellar and so is John Greenwald and and 3662 02:49:54,969 --> 02:49:51,589 so are you and and getting getting this 3663 02:49:57,729 --> 02:49:54,979 data worldwide and compiled it it needs 3664 02:50:00,069 --> 02:49:57,739 to be done and it needs to be in one 3665 02:50:01,719 --> 02:50:00,079 central resource for everybody to go and 3666 02:50:06,609 --> 02:50:01,729 look at for the very reason that you 3667 02:50:08,079 --> 02:50:06,619 just suggested people they're worried 3668 02:50:09,429 --> 02:50:08,089 about sharing their experience as well 3669 02:50:11,829 --> 02:50:09,439 because they'll go to the map or 3670 02:50:13,840 --> 02:50:11,839 whatever all the case files and see wow 3671 02:50:15,550 --> 02:50:13,850 do you know I remember seeing that and I 3672 02:50:17,079 --> 02:50:15,560 didn't think much of it at the time 3673 02:50:18,789 --> 02:50:17,089 right and you're just going to end up 3674 02:50:21,460 --> 02:50:18,799 with so much evidence I think it's going 3675 02:50:24,939 --> 02:50:21,470 to be you know someone's gonna have to 3676 02:50:27,429 --> 02:50:24,949 come out sometime and say ok yeah it's 3677 02:50:29,439 --> 02:50:27,439 happening you know I don't see it as as 3678 02:50:31,300 --> 02:50:29,449 people have said you know we are our own 3679 02:50:32,949 --> 02:50:31,310 disclosure and I think we've got to take 3680 02:50:35,679 --> 02:50:32,959 the bull by the horn and the time is now 3681 02:50:37,479 --> 02:50:35,689 basically face now thank you so much 3682 02:50:41,229 --> 02:50:37,489 Heidi be safe we'll see you tomorrow 3683 02:50:45,519 --> 02:50:41,239 night I know you'll be here ok bye Thank 3684 02:50:47,649 --> 02:50:45,529 You Heidi Neel from the UK and my point 3685 02:50:49,149 --> 02:50:47,659 thank you for that Heidi tomorrow night 3686 02:50:50,559 --> 02:50:49,159 it's gonna be a great show with Anthony 3687 02:50:52,960 --> 02:50:50,569 Sanchez but 3688 02:50:57,939 --> 02:50:52,970 my point they're dead I brought this up 3689 02:51:05,229 --> 02:50:57,949 the other night and seriously listen to 3690 02:51:08,260 --> 02:51:05,239 me for a second if there is alloys in 3691 02:51:13,630 --> 02:51:08,270 Bigelow's warehouse in LA in Las Vegas 3692 02:51:16,420 --> 02:51:13,640 that came from off-planet bring it if 3693 02:51:20,139 --> 02:51:16,430 you have a piece of a craft bring it 3694 02:51:22,449 --> 02:51:20,149 forward if you have if you're Elizondo 3695 02:51:25,800 --> 02:51:22,459 if you're anybody out there it's part of 3696 02:51:30,569 --> 02:51:25,810 the DoD or the CIA and you're sitting on 3697 02:51:37,979 --> 02:51:30,579 evidence real right the real deal stuff 3698 02:51:43,029 --> 02:51:37,989 it could be a film right a et whatever 3699 02:51:48,449 --> 02:51:43,039 the real deal come forward bring it and 3700 02:51:54,460 --> 02:51:48,459 be a martyr why you would be the most 3701 02:51:56,619 --> 02:51:54,470 important person in human history you 3702 02:52:00,939 --> 02:51:56,629 would make Edward Snowden look like a 3703 02:52:06,699 --> 02:52:00,949 boy scout it would be the most important 3704 02:52:09,519 --> 02:52:06,709 thing ever so bring it forward you know 3705 02:52:12,429 --> 02:52:09,529 be it be a martyr I said it last week on 3706 02:52:14,349 --> 02:52:12,439 the show if they send you to prison I'll 3707 02:52:17,519 --> 02:52:14,359 take care of your canteen for the rest 3708 02:52:20,559 --> 02:52:17,529 of your life but I'm being serious here 3709 02:52:24,219 --> 02:52:20,569 you would be the most important talked 3710 02:52:28,439 --> 02:52:24,229 about you would have you would have your 3711 02:52:31,659 --> 02:52:28,449 own religion a thousand years from now 3712 02:52:36,579 --> 02:52:31,669 you know that that's how important I 3713 02:52:40,659 --> 02:52:36,589 mean and so why the dance today you know 3714 02:52:44,199 --> 02:52:40,669 with with all of this you know alleged 3715 02:52:46,510 --> 02:52:44,209 Pentagon coming forward we have the FAA 3716 02:52:50,079 --> 02:52:46,520 with their tapes you know in the last 3717 02:52:52,149 --> 02:52:50,089 month that that's blowing my mind but 3718 02:52:56,529 --> 02:52:52,159 with all of this I think you're in a 3719 02:52:58,359 --> 02:52:56,539 safe zone now I think it's okay so if 3720 02:53:00,099 --> 02:52:58,369 you're sitting on something you smuggle 3721 02:53:03,880 --> 02:53:00,109 something out of the office you've got 3722 02:53:04,390 --> 02:53:03,890 something at home bring it forward right 3723 02:53:09,190 --> 02:53:04,400 now 3724 02:53:14,980 --> 02:53:09,200 be a martyr that's that's the thing I 3725 02:53:20,680 --> 02:53:14,990 don't understand some of the dancing 3726 02:53:23,350 --> 02:53:20,690 that still continues with Elizondo and 3727 02:53:25,900 --> 02:53:23,360 and others where you know well you know 3728 02:53:27,910 --> 02:53:25,910 the phenomenon is real and we're going 3729 02:53:31,081 --> 02:53:27,920 to you know we're working we're gonna 3730 02:53:36,581 --> 02:53:31,091 you know know what is it that you know 3731 02:53:38,860 --> 02:53:36,591 what is it that you know not that you've 3732 02:53:41,440 --> 02:53:38,870 analyzed this or you looked at that or 3733 02:53:45,220 --> 02:53:41,450 you checked out a report here what is it 3734 02:53:48,871 --> 02:53:45,230 that you know that's it the cat is out 3735 02:53:51,850 --> 02:53:48,881 of the bag just just just be a martyr 3736 02:53:54,280 --> 02:53:51,860 you'd be the most famous person in the 3737 02:53:57,280 --> 02:53:54,290 history of everything the most important 3738 02:53:59,110 --> 02:53:57,290 person ever think about that 3739 02:54:04,270 --> 02:53:59,120 hi you're live on paid to block who's 3740 02:54:06,131 --> 02:54:04,280 calling hey Jimmy's Eric hey Eric hey I 3741 02:54:08,350 --> 02:54:06,141 got kind of a fun story to tell you this 3742 02:54:12,400 --> 02:54:08,360 is off topic but it has to do with crash 3743 02:54:15,070 --> 02:54:12,410 UFOs okay two minutes I'll make it quick 3744 02:54:18,070 --> 02:54:15,080 did you did you hear about the crash UFO 3745 02:54:19,871 --> 02:54:18,080 well I'll call the UFO and in needles 3746 02:54:23,501 --> 02:54:19,881 California in 2008 3747 02:54:26,320 --> 02:54:23,511 yes that was pretty I ran into some 3748 02:54:28,720 --> 02:54:26,330 people I my car broke down Saturday 3749 02:54:30,371 --> 02:54:28,730 night 58 miles in the middle of Mojave 3750 02:54:33,371 --> 02:54:30,381 Desert north of California to Arizona 3751 02:54:35,890 --> 02:54:33,381 they got I had triple-a mm-hmm and Oh 3752 02:54:37,660 --> 02:54:35,900 truck guy comes out and he's 31 year old 3753 02:54:40,480 --> 02:54:37,670 kid he lived in needles his whole life 3754 02:54:41,860 --> 02:54:40,490 and so he picks me up and we're driving 3755 02:54:43,751 --> 02:54:41,870 down the highway and I'm trying to make 3756 02:54:45,430 --> 02:54:43,761 conversation with the guy so I go did 3757 02:54:47,770 --> 02:54:45,440 you ever see strange lights and this guy 3758 02:54:49,060 --> 02:54:47,780 and he goes yeah I've seen a few lights 3759 02:54:51,970 --> 02:54:49,070 and then he started telling me some 3760 02:54:54,761 --> 02:54:51,980 stories but then then he told me about 3761 02:54:56,530 --> 02:54:54,771 the needles crash and he said that when 3762 02:54:59,560 --> 02:54:56,540 he was when it happened he was in a 3763 02:55:01,421 --> 02:54:59,570 restaurant and and the men in black were 3764 02:55:03,190 --> 02:55:01,431 there mm-hmm and he was telling me all 3765 02:55:05,081 --> 02:55:03,200 sorts of stories and then later on the 3766 02:55:08,261 --> 02:55:05,091 next day I had to stay at a hotel there 3767 02:55:10,900 --> 02:55:08,271 the next day the guy that was fix my car 3768 02:55:12,881 --> 02:55:10,910 he knew all about it too and the whole 3769 02:55:15,520 --> 02:55:12,891 town knew about it yeah the whole time 3770 02:55:18,001 --> 02:55:15,530 wait a minute wait a minute Eric are you 3771 02:55:21,001 --> 02:55:18,011 telling me that's the first time you 3772 02:55:22,860 --> 02:55:21,011 about the needles case what's the first 3773 02:55:25,411 --> 02:55:22,870 time I was shocked I didn't I had no 3774 02:55:29,911 --> 02:55:25,421 wait you're an expert Eric how can you 3775 02:55:32,341 --> 02:55:29,921 call yourself a class a UFO researcher 3776 02:55:34,291 --> 02:55:32,351 and fan and not know about the needles 3777 02:55:36,570 --> 02:55:34,301 case well you know what at least you 3778 02:55:39,900 --> 02:55:36,580 admit it on this show I got to give you 3779 02:55:41,341 --> 02:55:39,910 credit for that but the what here's the 3780 02:55:43,591 --> 02:55:41,351 one thing that I want to bring up real 3781 02:55:46,081 --> 02:55:43,601 quick is the crash is that that because 3782 02:55:48,390 --> 02:55:46,091 I'm learning this history in 53 in 3783 02:55:49,591 --> 02:55:48,400 Kingman Arizona those crashes that 3784 02:55:51,421 --> 02:55:49,601 happened out there there was apparently 3785 02:55:53,220 --> 02:55:51,431 three of them that happened that's right 3786 02:55:55,591 --> 02:55:53,230 I'm gonna do a tour up I'm gonna do a 3787 02:55:58,470 --> 02:55:55,601 tour out there with that guy Harry drew 3788 02:56:01,081 --> 02:55:58,480 yep hey I love you ever had em on yeah 3789 02:56:03,480 --> 02:56:01,091 you put on a show a couple times yeah 3790 02:56:05,551 --> 02:56:03,490 but I I just think I know people try to 3791 02:56:07,921 --> 02:56:05,561 figure out well is it are the d'affaires 3792 02:56:09,961 --> 02:56:07,931 but it's been with and then maybe in 3793 02:56:11,761 --> 02:56:09,971 2008 the needles crashed maybe it was 3794 02:56:14,640 --> 02:56:11,771 ours it Garst one of our advanced 3795 02:56:15,720 --> 02:56:14,650 technology you know who knows but but 3796 02:56:17,341 --> 02:56:15,730 when you hear that mate when you hear 3797 02:56:19,140 --> 02:56:17,351 the people in town talk about it and the 3798 02:56:21,751 --> 02:56:19,150 way they describe it it just points to 3799 02:56:23,911 --> 02:56:21,761 an T crash but the ones in Kingman I 3800 02:56:25,860 --> 02:56:23,921 just have a hard time believing that 3801 02:56:27,001 --> 02:56:25,870 we're we're crashed in our own craft out 3802 02:56:29,310 --> 02:56:27,011 there in the middle of the desert in 3803 02:56:32,310 --> 02:56:29,320 1953 that's where I have a hard time 3804 02:56:35,970 --> 02:56:32,320 yeah the Kingman cases is great there's 3805 02:56:41,581 --> 02:56:35,980 another case from Scottsdale Arizona in 3806 02:56:44,131 --> 02:56:41,591 1958 or so which is unbelievable and 3807 02:56:46,081 --> 02:56:44,141 that happened right on the north side of 3808 02:56:51,541 --> 02:56:46,091 Scottsdale behind a Camelback Mountain 3809 02:56:55,011 --> 02:56:51,551 and so that craft crashed their flatbeds 3810 02:56:58,530 --> 02:56:55,021 rolled into town a very documented case 3811 02:57:02,881 --> 02:56:58,540 take the craft out and then they take 3812 02:57:07,440 --> 02:57:02,891 the land that it was on and pulled the 3813 02:57:10,230 --> 02:57:07,450 dirt out the dirt and then replace the 3814 02:57:12,661 --> 02:57:10,240 dirt and then put a parking lot over the 3815 02:57:16,470 --> 02:57:12,671 top of it but there was no reason to 3816 02:57:19,470 --> 02:57:16,480 park cars there was nothing there right 3817 02:57:21,990 --> 02:57:19,480 and so that's that's another case that 3818 02:57:23,581 --> 02:57:22,000 that is you know we can talk about 3819 02:57:26,251 --> 02:57:23,591 Roswell and we can talk about these 3820 02:57:28,381 --> 02:57:26,261 other these you know Aztec and talk 3821 02:57:30,091 --> 02:57:28,391 about these cases but there's other ones 3822 02:57:31,770 --> 02:57:30,101 out there that are pretty significant 3823 02:57:34,711 --> 02:57:31,780 the 2008 3824 02:57:36,841 --> 02:57:34,721 Bill's case and I've got a run but what 3825 02:57:39,540 --> 02:57:36,851 was fascinating about that is everybody 3826 02:57:41,370 --> 02:57:39,550 in town saw the black SUVs everybody in 3827 02:57:44,761 --> 02:57:41,380 town saw the helicopters everybody in 3828 02:57:48,211 --> 02:57:44,771 town knew what happened and needles is 3829 02:57:50,370 --> 02:57:48,221 very small and they got invaded by the 3830 02:57:52,770 --> 02:57:50,380 men in black and the DoD in the military 3831 02:57:55,020 --> 02:57:52,780 industrial complex everybody's chosen 3832 02:57:57,810 --> 02:57:55,030 that you know they retrieve the the the 3833 02:57:59,820 --> 02:57:57,820 the craft and split out of town like 3834 02:58:02,011 --> 02:57:59,830 nobody's gonna remember nobody's going 3835 02:58:04,020 --> 02:58:02,021 to talk about it but it happened you 3836 02:58:05,310 --> 02:58:04,030 know so yeah that's a fascinating case 3837 02:58:07,320 --> 02:58:05,320 I've talked to a few people out there 3838 02:58:09,740 --> 02:58:07,330 that were there that day and saw it 3839 02:58:14,400 --> 02:58:09,750 happened so I thought yeah 3840 02:58:17,461 --> 02:58:14,410 no I I got I got a rally I got it what 3841 02:58:18,631 --> 02:58:17,471 Sadek time in 2011 there was a crash in 3842 02:58:19,921 --> 02:58:18,641 Williams Arizona don't know if you heard 3843 02:58:21,631 --> 02:58:19,931 about that but there's a guy named Bob 3844 02:58:23,070 --> 02:58:21,641 sort ninety year old guy here in 3845 02:58:24,450 --> 02:58:23,080 Cottonwood I'm interviewing tomorrow 3846 02:58:25,680 --> 02:58:24,460 that goes all about it so maybe on a 3847 02:58:25,980 --> 02:58:25,690 fader night I'll call you tell you that 3848 02:58:27,751 --> 02:58:25,990 story 3849 02:58:32,970 --> 02:58:27,761 you got it thank you so much Eric be 3850 02:58:36,211 --> 02:58:32,980 safe figure gotta thank John Greenwald 3851 02:58:41,070 --> 02:58:36,221 an absolute brilliant conversation 3852 02:58:43,501 --> 02:58:41,080 tonight the black vault comm /t TSA 3853 02:58:45,030 --> 02:58:43,511 stated blacks executive producers ritika 3854 02:58:46,770 --> 02:58:45,040 Bernie on shows produced by Hill J 3855 02:58:49,530 --> 02:58:46,780 Palmer Nate Dennison Bob announces our 3856 02:58:51,511 --> 02:58:49,540 Steve bahara Jean Patou and Mark T Cove 3857 02:58:54,180 --> 02:58:51,521 our webmaster drew the geek music doug 3858 02:58:56,520 --> 02:58:54,190 aldrich intro space boys space boy music 3859 02:58:59,580 --> 02:58:56,530 calm fade to black is produced by 3860 02:59:04,860 --> 02:59:03,120 the planet podcast zone and copyrighted 3861 02:59:05,820 --> 02:59:04,870 2018 by fade to black in the game 3862 02:59:07,860 --> 02:59:05,830 changer network 3863 02:59:09,270 --> 02:59:07,870 it cannot be rebroadcast downloaded 3864 02:59:11,400 --> 02:59:09,280 copied or used anywhere in the known 3865 02:59:12,870 --> 02:59:11,410 universe without written permission for 3866 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